[talk-au] Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal

Sebastian S. mapping at consebt.de
Sun Jun 13 02:24:39 UTC 2021

Hi Andrew,

Have you considered adding a 
ref:{Vic map reference}={Vic map ID} 
Tag to the imported data points?

Or do you consider a ref tag or source tag an issue for users?

I am also wondering if it makes sense to add a clean up tag for all duplicate points. Think tiger data import.

On 10 June 2021 8:55:29 pm AEST, Andrew Harvey via Talk-au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Jun 2021, at 7:33 PM, Ewen Hill wrote:
>> Andrew,
>>   Thank you for both your initial work and the communication as well
>as the listening. Can I congratulate you on the lib/toOSM.js for the
>capitalisation and duplication processing. Very detailed
>> A few numpty questions after being late to the party...
>>  * Is there a node id on the vicmap address and are we storing this
>in OSM so we can match and look for missing or deleted ones later?
>Good question, I've added a section to the code repo at
>essentially because such an ID makes it confusing for OSM contributors,
>makes the data feel less organic to OSM, and conflation can still be
>done without it.
>>  * Can we provide a couple of samples of the
>existingAddressesWithNewTagsOnly export once available
>Yes I'll post the full import candidates shortly, I'm still working
>finalising them at the moment.
>>  * Could we perform some sampling of suburbs/levels. Perhaps 
>>    * Mallacoota (large reserves, complex islands and altered
>crown/public land ownership)
>>    * Meringur or Learmouth (large farming community)
>>    * Fitzroy (complex inner city)
>Yes, I can sample these out, I'll post them shortly.
>>  * I can't see what happens on collision with a totally incorrect
>address. Is the new node just added where you can't find a matching
>At the moment yes if it doesn't find an exact match then the new node
>will be imported. In the conflation I broke the state up by city block
>(land surrounded by roads) because where there are no addresses in OSM
>in that block we can be fairly certain there will be no conflicts.
>Where there are addresses in the block there is a chance that the
>address exists but it wasn't an exact match, I haven't decided what I
>think should happen here.
>Treating all the blocks where at least one address already exists in
>OSM would be too overwhelming to review them all manually (636,532
>addresses fall into this category compared to 1,311,095 which very
>likely aren't already in OSM, compared to 107,194 which are certainly
>already in OSM).
>1,311,095 Vicmap addresses are in a block which has no OSM addresses
>13,830 Vicmap addresses are within an OSM address polygon (which may or
>may not be the same address)
>636,532 Vicmap addresses are in a block which has some OSM addresses
>already but couldn't be matched exactly
>107,194 Vicmap addresses are in a block which has some OSM addresses
>already and there was an exact match found
>>    * Is there an exceptions file for the above that can be reviewed.
>Could map roulette some of these?
>>  * How have you gone with best practices globally?
>Let me circle back to these points. I have created two sets of
>MapRoulette challenges (not publicly visible yet) but these are for the
>Vicmap complex name and building / property name, which we aren't
>importing automatically instead via MapRoulette inviting the local
>community if they'd like to review these.
>> I am amazed by the amount of code you have developed and documented
>to do this. The benefits of adding this import will far outweigh any
>minor local issues. Chapeau!
>From the README I wrote, Vicmap data isn't perfect, OSM data isn't
>perfect. This import isn't without issues, it aims to get it right for
>the vast majority of instances, but local mappers will still be left
>with some burden of correcting or cleaning up edge and corner cases.
>I'm with you that the benefits outweigh the issues.  
>I've done on the ground surveying of addresses and shocked by how many
>errors I made.
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