[talk-au] M11 naming

[Adam Horan]

@Dian where were the roadsigns that you saw? Maybe someone can get out and
take some pictures.

>From VicNames it seems that south of Springvale Road it's called Mornington
Peninsula Freeway, but north of Springvale it's Mordialloc Freeway.
Continue further south and it's Peninsula Link, and then further it's back
to Mornington Peninsula Freeway.

I'm sure the signs on Peninsula Link still say that, but I have seen
newer/adjusted signs in this northern area which refer to MPF.
Unfortunately I can't remember exactly where I saw them...

The only consistent thing is the M11 numbering :)


On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 15:56, Brendan Barnes <brenbarnes at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately the Major Road Projects Victoria website is not compatible
> with the ODbL, as "no part may be reproduced or used for any commercial
> purposes whatsoever". The press release on their site has no other
> licencing information, so we should treat it as copyright and not use it as
> a source for OSM data.
>
> The Engage Victoria website is CC BY 4.0 (State of Victoria (Department of
> Premier and Cabinet)), but unfortunately we don't have a waiver for.
>
> To ensure data in our database is sourced correctly, we need to collect
> street naming from on-the-ground surveys, compatible imagery providers, and
> any other compatible licence sources.
>
>
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 00:07, Adam Horan <ahoran at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The existing southern end of this road which was known through
>> construction as 'Peninsula Link', and is mapped as such now, should
>> probably also be called 'Mornington Peninsula Freeway.'
>> See relation
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/12622680#map=12/-38.1791/145.1193
>> and ways within.
>> Here is a VicRoads doc referring to upgrades on the southern part, and
>> calling it Mornington Peninsula Freeway https://engage.vic.gov.au/mpfu
>> However roadsigns along the road seem to call it Peninsula Link still.
>>
>> re the Mordialloc end - the project page is clear that *"The 9km long
>> Mordialloc Freeway connects the Mornington Peninsula Freeway in Aspendale
>> Gardens to the Dingley Bypass in Dingley Village..."*
>> https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/projects/mordialloc-freeway
>> The press release for opening it calls it Mordialloc Freeway
>> https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/news/mordialloc-freeway-open
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 22:51, Brendan Barnes <brenbarnes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice work from the community surveying and mapping so quickly since
>>> early opening.
>>>
>>> There's no KartaView imagery of the extension, and Mapillary isn't
>>> loading for me right now, so it's hard to weigh-in as an armchair mapper.
>>>
>>> On sampling some of the ways (example
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/913115111), both name=* and
>>> official_name=* appear to be sourced correctly and follow the "map what's
>>> on the ground" good practice.
>>>
>>> My only suggestion would be alt_name=* being the same as official_name=*
>>> is probably redundant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 21:11, Dian Ågesson <me at diacritic.xyz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> There has been a flurry of activity in South-East Melbourne surrounding
>>>> the opening of the brand new M11 extension. Unfortunately, it seems as
>>>> though sources vary on the name of this new section of road.
>>>>
>>>> The construction has been heavily advertised and promoted as the
>>>> 'Mordialloc Freeway'. That is the name of the road on Vicnames as well.
>>>>
>>>> Every roadsign I've seen in the area though uses 'Mornington Peninsula
>>>> Freeway'. Wikipedia (currently) uses that name as well, but the editors
>>>> there seem unsure what to call it as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Dian
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