[talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?

[Kim Oldfield]

Hi,

On 26/11/21 5:34 pm, forster at ozonline.com.au wrote:
> Further
> If the marker looks the same as the bottom photo of 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point

For an example see

https://photos.app.goo.gl/bcvgcPLYmpU25fQB9

This is PBM010. The marker only has the text "010", and does not include 
the "PBM" prefix used by ESTA.

> then the dataset is 
> https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28

It should be part of the ESTA data set, but I can't find them in that 
data. I'm assuming ESTA haven't included all emergency markers for 
whatever reason - maybe because they aren't signposted in a way that the 
public would recognise.

Regards,
Kim

> Tony
>
>> Hi
>>
>> This subject was discussed in October.
>> The dataset they are sharing is likely to be
>> https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28 
>>
>>
>> and it was determined that we do not have the right licence to use 
>> this data.
>>
>> I say likely to be the same dataset, I am fairly sure but no guarantee.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>> Are these emergency markers created and maintained by the Puffing Billy
>>> Railway?
>>>
>>> If not they might be sharing a dataset with you that they don't have
>>> permission to share for this purpose?
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 16:24, <osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe just create a simple page on the wiki describing what you 
>>>> intent to
>>>> do along with a link to information about the received permission? 
>>>> Just to
>>>> make it easier to find in the future if there are any concerns.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 26 November 2021 13:46
>>>> *To:* Kim Oldfield <osm at oldfield.wattle.id.au>
>>>> *Cc:* OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing 200 emergency markers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That sounds fine to me, this email consulting with the community,
>>>> informing of your plan and what steps you've taken is enough in my 
>>>> opinion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would ask if you could share more information about the 
>>>> permission you
>>>> obtained? So long as you have sufficient rights to submit the data 
>>>> under
>>>> the OSM contributor terms.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:56, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
>>>> talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a list of 200 emergency marker locations along 22km of the
>>>> Puffing Billy Railway which were provided to me by the railway with
>>>> permission to include them in OSM.
>>>>
>>>> I've been reading through https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import -
>>>> most of which appears to be geared toward larger imports and using
>>>> publicly available data with various licenses. The data for my 
>>>> import is
>>>> not publicly available, and was provided to me when I asked to 
>>>> import it
>>>> into OSM.
>>>>
>>>> I've searched overpass-turbo and there are no
>>>> highway=emergency_access_points, name~"PBM", or ref~"PBM" near the 
>>>> list
>>>> of nodes I have to import. This indicates that none of the nodes are
>>>> already mapped.
>>>>
>>>> Based on the example file on
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_file_format I've converted 
>>>> the
>>>> emergency marker list into xml, the start of which looks like:
>>>>
>>>> <?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>
>>>> <osm version="0.6">
>>>> <node id="-3" lat="-37.907468" lon="145.36039">
>>>>   <tag k="ref" v="PBM003"/>
>>>>   <tag k="highway" v="emergency_access_point"/>
>>>> </node>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> In JOSM I can import this file and merge the layer. I'm intending to
>>>> then upload this with appropriate an comment noting that the data was
>>>> provided by Puffing Billy Railway with permission to include it in 
>>>> OSM.
>>>>
>>>> I'm proposing to import this as a one off, single change set under my
>>>> existing OSM username.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a reasonable way to do this import? Is there anything else I
>>>> should do?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Kim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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