[talk-au] M11 naming

[Dian Ågesson]

Hey Adam,

it was at the corner of Lower Dandenong and also Centre Dandenong; they 
both said Mornington Peninsula Fwy. I saw it again this morning on my 
way through the area, and didn't take a photo… can try and do so again 
later today if needed?

dian

On 2021-11-26 16:54, Adam Horan wrote:

> @Dian where were the roadsigns that you saw? Maybe someone can get out 
> and take some pictures.
> 
> From VicNames it seems that south of Springvale Road it's called 
> Mornington Peninsula Freeway, but north of Springvale it's Mordialloc 
> Freeway. Continue further south and it's Peninsula Link, and then 
> further it's back to Mornington Peninsula Freeway.
> 
> I'm sure the signs on Peninsula Link still say that, but I have seen 
> newer/adjusted signs in this northern area which refer to MPF. 
> Unfortunately I can't remember exactly where I saw them...
> 
> The only consistent thing is the M11 numbering :)
> 
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 15:56, Brendan Barnes <brenbarnes at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately the Major Road Projects Victoria website is not 
> compatible with the ODbL, as "no part may be reproduced or used for any 
> commercial purposes whatsoever". The press release on their site has no 
> other licencing information, so we should treat it as copyright and not 
> use it as a source for OSM data.
> 
> The Engage Victoria website is CC BY 4.0 (State of Victoria (Department 
> of Premier and Cabinet)), but unfortunately we don't have a waiver for.
> 
> To ensure data in our database is sourced correctly, we need to collect 
> street naming from on-the-ground surveys, compatible imagery providers, 
> and any other compatible licence sources.
> 
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 00:07, Adam Horan <ahoran at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The existing southern end of this road which was known through 
> construction as 'Peninsula Link', and is mapped as such now, should 
> probably also be called 'Mornington Peninsula Freeway.'
> See relation 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/12622680#map=12/-38.1791/145.1193 
> and ways within.
> Here is a VicRoads doc referring to upgrades on the southern part, and 
> calling it Mornington Peninsula Freeway https://engage.vic.gov.au/mpfu
> However roadsigns along the road seem to call it Peninsula Link still.
> 
> re the Mordialloc end - the project page is clear that _"The 9km long 
> Mordialloc Freeway connects the Mornington Peninsula Freeway in 
> Aspendale Gardens to the Dingley Bypass in Dingley Village..."_
> https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/projects/mordialloc-freeway
> The press release for opening it calls it Mordialloc Freeway 
> https://roadprojects.vic.gov.au/news/mordialloc-freeway-open
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 22:51, Brendan Barnes <brenbarnes at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Nice work from the community surveying and mapping so quickly since 
> early opening.
> 
> There's no KartaView imagery of the extension, and Mapillary isn't 
> loading for me right now, so it's hard to weigh-in as an armchair 
> mapper.
> 
> On sampling some of the ways (example 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/913115111), both name=* and 
> official_name=* appear to be sourced correctly and follow the "map 
> what's on the ground" good practice.
> 
> My only suggestion would be alt_name=* being the same as 
> official_name=* is probably redundant.
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 21:11, Dian Ågesson <me at diacritic.xyz> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> There has been a flurry of activity in South-East Melbourne surrounding 
> the opening of the brand new M11 extension. Unfortunately, it seems as 
> though sources vary on the name of this new section of road.
> 
> The construction has been heavily advertised and promoted as the 
> 'Mordialloc Freeway'. That is the name of the road on Vicnames as well.
> 
> Every roadsign I've seen in the area though uses 'Mornington Peninsula 
> Freeway'. Wikipedia (currently) uses that name as well, but the editors 
> there seem unsure what to call it as well.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
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