[talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Low quality road classification contributions in SA via Microsoft Open Maps Team - contact point?

Ewen Hill ewen.hill at gmail.com
Sun Sep 5 13:31:12 UTC 2021


Good evening all,
   I have spent a bit of time exploring the changesets in SA by the
MSOMT and reviewed all residential roads and 1/13th of service roads. There
were some significant wins with a lot of the edits that vastly improve SA
however there could be some improvements with

   1. Private driveways being marked as residential or service roads
   without access restrictions. A lot of these are on farms and around
   farmyards past gates.
   2. Residential roads that should have been reduced to an alley or lane
   3. Caravan parks with the parking aisles marked as residential


*Execution: *

   - I modified the overpass query to extract all new ways since June 9th.
   This is available at https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1aU2 and produced 5513
   entries
   - Each way then had the latest changeset id and username identified.
   This may not be the original editor.
   - User profiles were then checked for being part of the MSOMT team of
   which 13 editors were located
   - .Of the 4081 MSOMT edited ways in 1704 changesets, the following
   highway types were created
   -
   highway count
   unclassified 1610
   service 1501
   residential 921
   track 27
   construction 18
   cycleway 2
   tertiary 1
   secondary 1
   - All 921 residential roads were reviewed and whilst there are a number
   of grey areas and user perception, the following breakdown was identified
   -
   highway status count
   residential OK 243
   residential Minor issues/ Caravan parks 45
   residential Residential road but could be lane/alley  143
   residential Assumed private property access 481
   residential Other issues 9
   - A selection of 143 service roads were also reviewed.
   -
   highway status cout
   service ok 49
   service Minor issues
   1
   service Assumed private property access
   92
   service Other issue 1
   - No other highway types were reviewed.


Due to the number of changesets (393 already identified) and the mix of
edit quality, I am not certain where we go from here?


Ewen


On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 at 17:27, Nemanja Bracko (Hi-Tech Talents LLC) via
Talk-au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Thank you for reviving this topic again. I planned to do the same this
> week.
>
>
>
> I would like to make a clear note that this issue is still on the top of
> our list to get fixed. For this reason, I’m responsive to this thread, so
> editors don’t need to reply to each repetitive issue. I don’t think that I
> have missed any of the messages or left them unanswered.
>
>
>
> We are still on hold since the community is not united about the process
> of work.
>
> The way I see this is only to remove roads that we added entirely. I don’t
> think it would be beneficial for the map and the community, but if that
> bothers the community, we are willing to remove it if it is the only
> solution.
>
>
>
> Once the community has a consensus about the tags that we have to use, we
> can jump in, and I will personally make sure that everything is processed
> entirely in accordance with your guideline.
>
>
>
> I really appreciate any help you can provide.
>
> Nemanja
>
>
>
> *From:* Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 29, 2021 5:37 PM
> *To:* talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Low quality road classification
> contributions in SA via Microsoft Open Maps Team - contact point?
>
>
>
> At the risk of repeating what might have been said earlier, I'd suggest
> commenting on one or more of the problem changesets, explaining why
> "residential" (or whatever) isn't a good fit.
>
> If the users concerned don't reply then we (the DWG) can try and draw
> their attention to the comments before they make future changes.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
> (from the DWG)
>
> On 8/29/21 2:15 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
>
> Through overpass, plus random sampling as I'm editing; I'm still seeing a
> substantial amount of misclassifications.
>
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1aIk
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Foverpass-turbo.eu%2Fs%2F1aIk&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C9178a128b6d84cc0f48a08d96b036217%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637658484587213968%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=8%2BSqro4iEXrB6CGdsI2DlNqTVBxkvMi%2FWGFUqz4ePJo%3D&reserved=0>
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> ~2400 ways.
>
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1aIl
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Foverpass-turbo.eu%2Fs%2F1aIl&data=04%7C01%7Cv-nebrac%40microsoft.com%7C9178a128b6d84cc0f48a08d96b036217%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637658484587223961%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=hQ3CLTYLu7Pgol0lRK3aszi9%2BqRH9x0HorBL%2FW1h%2FEc%3D&reserved=0>
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> Most of these outside of townships appear to be still very poorly
> classified, and last edited 2 months ago.
>
>
> Has any correction been done whatsoever?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 3:39 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks everybody for your comments.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 16:23, cleary <osm at 97k.com> wrote:
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>
> I am insanely jealous that you can go driving in the countryside.
>
>
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> Sorry to make you feel bad! :-(
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>
>
>  Thanks
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>
>
> Graeme
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Warm Regards

Ewen Hill
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