[talk-au] Information source question - sorry kind of lengthy.

[Warin]

On 2/2/22 20:20, stevea wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2022, at 12:41 AM, Bob Cameron <bob3bob3 at skymesh.com.au> wrote:
>> MR358 or Coulsons Creek Road between Willow Tree and Merriwa NSW is closed for repair of major slippage as it crosses the Liverpool Ranges. "Livetraffic" (Traffic for NSW govt site) says not reopening until late 2023. A reference on that to a local govt site is devoid of any current information.
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>> In the OSM data catalogue Wiki thare are a number of TFNSW waivers but I dont see anything obvious that would allow me to copy the "Livetraffic" closed road section.
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>> Livetraffic uses Google maps. It is quite explicit as to what length/location is closed.
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>> As it turns out I'll be at the Willow Tree and Merriwa ends of this road in a week so can view any closure signs. I also know the slippage section as I drove on it just before it was closed a year ago. There are even Mapillary images of same. I don't however plan to drive up to the closure barriers at each end to check for sure!
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>> Do I have enough to make an educated guess as to what section would be deemed closed without violating any copy-write etc stuff.
> I don't think this is lengthy at all (but I'm rumored to be loquacious).  I think what this fundamentally comes to is "facts cannot be copyrighted."  As long as you are aware that perhaps the Livetraffic MIGHT be copyrighted (you heard it over the air, so "maybe," it is government produced, so "maybe") and you explicitly "subtract that from your knowledge," you are on the right track.  Start with your knowledge (you "know the slippage section" from only a year ago), that's pretty solid ground to stand on.  Also, don't forget to "mentally subtract from your knowledge" anything Google Maps (explicit), though the fact that Livetraffic uses that is a grey area, as it could be considered a "derived work."
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> I'm not a copyright attorney (and I am in California, USA), but if what you are entering into OSM what you know to be (truthful) facts, you're 100% OK, as "facts cannot be copyrighted."
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> I don't know if this helps, I hope it does.  Good on ya' to ask, maybe others can hone in on a better bullseye than I am here.
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The 'facts cannot be copyright' may be a USA thing that does not work 
elsewhere. Don't know but I would not rely on it alone.


Other sources of 'information'? Newspapers, radio and TV ... a quick 
google search gets a few of these.. and local council notices too. I 
would think these sources want the information used, so would not claim 
copyright on the information itself.


The next question is .. how will you map it? Put 'disused:' in front of 
it and add a 'comment=land slip - under repair. expected opening in 2024'?