[talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

[Warin]

On unpaved roads - they can close at any time there is rain. Some mine 
sites also close access roads with rain, some locals think thye close 
them way too often.

There are also councils that close roads - placing signs on them where 
accessible from paved roads. Some of the councils have fines of $1,000 
per axle, seems a bit unfair to motor cycles - 2 axle, compared to a 4WD 
- 2 axle. A road train on the other hand!!!


Unfortunately common sense looks to be a lot less common as time goes 
bye. A map is an indication, what you find/see is the present truth.


On 10/2/22 19:56, Ewen Hill wrote:
> Back in 1990, Cyclone Joy (note to BOM - please check names first!!!) 
> hit central Queensland and as the water washed down the catchments, 
> roads closed and then reopened at various times. The coastal highway 
> reopened about 22 days after closing with traffic using a single lane. 
> The year before had been relatively quiet compared.
>
>    During this, we were told by locals  naaah - don't worry 'bout the 
> runway mate, it never floods. The next morning 25% of it had 
> disappeared under the wet stuff and lost our emergency airdrop 
> aircraft as they were all parked there and couldn't take off. Things 
> can take a dramatic turn very quickly
>
>   The key issue is that we have main roads where there maybe the 
> dynamic ability to close roads but perhaps after the event and then we 
> have councils which do not normally and have more pressing issues. 
> Routing in the outback is probably not real-time due to lack of mobile 
> coverage and the roads are still displayed.
>    The city dweller, finding that the Highway is unpassable may still 
> choose the route less travelled called "Nine Creeks Road" and not 
> suspect there is a reason why no one else is on that road. Commonsense 
> is not something we can distil. The access conditional is good but has 
> to be on all roads outside towns for this to work.
>
> Then there is climate change!
>
> Ewen
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 13:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     No argument at all from me!
>
>     Just thinking of possible options :-)
>
>     On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 11:55, Dian Ågesson <me at diacritic.xyz> wrote:
>
>         A further thought,
>
>         Tagging permissions that open the road in certain times,
>         rather than close them, could also lead to better outcomes
>         with less sophisticated routing software/offline connections.
>
>
>         access=no
>
>         access:conditional=yes @ (May-Nov)
>
>         access:conditional= discouraged @ (Dec-Apr and dry)
>
>     & that's an interesting idea!
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Graeme
>
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>
> Ewen Hill
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