[talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Luke Stewart]

With their reasons for deletion:

"largely they are fragmented, and consist of riding on roads without any
dedicated infrastructure" - this is representative of routes across
Australia; many routes in Sydney are like this and area just sharrows,
however as they are still signposted they are mapped as routes.

"the signage has not been maintained, and maintenance is the responsibility
of the respective local government authority ... signage has been
maintained ad-hoc" - this may be the case however councils likely maintain
a list/map of routes (at least thats how it works in NSW). Signage is also
not always maintained properly in my experience.

"if you live in Perth, I seriously doubt you would have ever used these
routes for navigation, nor would you have ever purposefully ridden by the
route, instead of taking a more direct or safer route option as to on road
cycling." - they are still routes nonetheless, often times I find myself
following or deviating from a route at will however that does not change
the fact that they are routes and infrastructure is generally designed to
cater for these routes.

"The routes are circuitous" - see above

"The OSM information has not been maintained to reflect changes, and the
OSM application of the routes were not consistent" - in this case then
routes should be reviewed and updated where necessary, but I do not think
that outright deletion is warranted

Cheers,
Luke

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 02:14, <osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au> wrote:

> Well, he has answered a changeset comment:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873
>
> I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply
> delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the
> ground, and what to do about it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
> To: talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>
> Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600
>
> Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.
>
>
> On 2022-02-10 18:13, forster at ozonline.com.au wrote:
> >
> > Probably
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
> >
> >  Who is Aaronsta?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
> >>
> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
> >> uidelines
> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_
> >> Guidelines&type=revision&diff=2262794&oldid=2250661>
> >> &type=revision&diff=2262794&oldid=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet
> >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Thorsten
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
> >> To: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
> >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki
> >> <wiki at noreply.openstreetmap.org
> >> <mailto:wiki at noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
> >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
> >> the current revision.
> >>
> >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about
> >> these changes?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
> >>
> >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
> >>
> >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
> >>
> >>
> >> Riding on a footpath or shared path
> >>
> >>
> >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.
> >>
> >> You must:
> >>
> >> *    keep left and give way to all pedestrians
> >> *    always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.
> >>
> >> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Graeme
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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