[talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

Fri Feb 11 03:39:12 UTC 2022

I'm a Perth cyclist and I occasionally use www.opencyclemap.org when I'm
planning a ride through an unfamiliar area. I think the bicycle routes in
question are what's shown there but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway I've found
them pretty useful on occasion.

I also occasionally use the signage to find better cycling routes. It's not
perfect but it's often a useful way to get yourself off a busy road.

Anyway I'm not totally convinced one way or the other regarding the
removal, but just wanted to offer the perspective of a (very) occasional
user of that data. A mass deletion seems a bit heavy handed to me.

Cheers
John

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 09:01, Luke Stewart <suburbansilvervlogs at gmail.com>
wrote:

> With their reasons for deletion:
>
> "largely they are fragmented, and consist of riding on roads without any
> dedicated infrastructure" - this is representative of routes across
> Australia; many routes in Sydney are like this and area just sharrows,
> however as they are still signposted they are mapped as routes.
>
> "the signage has not been maintained, and maintenance is the
> responsibility of the respective local government authority ... signage has
> been maintained ad-hoc" - this may be the case however councils likely
> maintain a list/map of routes (at least thats how it works in NSW). Signage
> is also not always maintained properly in my experience.
>
> "if you live in Perth, I seriously doubt you would have ever used these
> routes for navigation, nor would you have ever purposefully ridden by the
> route, instead of taking a more direct or safer route option as to on road
> cycling." - they are still routes nonetheless, often times I find myself
> following or deviating from a route at will however that does not change
> the fact that they are routes and infrastructure is generally designed to
> cater for these routes.
>
> "The routes are circuitous" - see above
>
> "The OSM information has not been maintained to reflect changes, and the
> OSM application of the routes were not consistent" - in this case then
> routes should be reviewed and updated where necessary, but I do not think
> that outright deletion is warranted
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 02:14, <osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au> wrote:
>
>> Well, he has answered a changeset comment:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873
>>
>> I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply
>> delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the
>> ground, and what to do about it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz>
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
>> To: talk-au at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
>> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>>
>> Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600
>>
>> Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.
>>
>>
>> On 2022-02-10 18:13, forster at ozonline.com.au wrote:
>> >
>> > Probably
>> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
>> >
>> >  Who is Aaronsta?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
>> >>
>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
>> >> uidelines
>> >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_
>> >> Guidelines&type=revision&diff=2262794&oldid=2250661>
>> >> &type=revision&diff=2262794&oldid=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet
>> >> stuff at the bottom, thatâ€™s from someone else)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Thorsten
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
>> >> To: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
>> >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki
>> >> <wiki at noreply.openstreetmap.org
>> >> <mailto:wiki at noreply.openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
>> >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
>> >> the current revision.
>> >>
>> >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about
>> >> these changes?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
>> >>
>> >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
>> >>
>> >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Riding on a footpath or shared path
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.
>> >>
>> >> You must:
>> >>
>> >> *    keep left and give way to all pedestrians
>> >> *    always ride to the left of bicycle riders coming toward you.
>> >>
>> >> Looks like we may need a major reversion done here?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Graeme
>> >>
>> >>
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