[talk-au] Tagging Sydney bus stops

[Stéphane Guillou]

Here from Meanjin/Brisbane, I've often struggled with naming bus stops, 
and I'm keen to learn more.

I've switched between using what's on the sign (seen from afar), or on 
the timetable (often longer form). And using differing keys like: name, 
alt_name, short_name. So would love to have a better idea of what to do 
and what the de-facto or agreed-upon convention is...

On thing that I noticed and that might factor in - although it's 
bordering on mapping for the renderer: the Transport Map layer on the 
OSM website visually "joins" bus stops that share the same name, which I 
find is a very helpful hint on the map. It looks like:

  * It does it by exact name match, like here:
    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.48698/153.01086&layers=T
  * But not by reference, like here (Raven St - 12 stop):
    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/-27.48591/153.00169&layers=T

Probably something that the renderer could be improved on, but thought 
I'd mention it here because it makes me wonder if there are other data 
consumers who rely on bus stop name matches, and then make use of a 
separate tag like local_ref for the precise stand/platform (if needed).

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:local_ref

Cheers

On 2/2/22 19:01, Warin wrote:
>
> On 2/2/22 18:24, cleary wrote:
>> I suggest leaving the bus stop ID number in the format that Andrew 
>> initially stated, ref=201111 (rather than ref:stand=A)
>>
>> As a regular used of buses (pre-covid), I think "Stand A" etc needs 
>> to be part of the name.  At some locations, the stands are a block or 
>> more apart (such as the multiple Martin Place and Town Hall bus stops 
>> in Sydney and the many different stops at major suburban transport 
>> interchanges).   Each "stand" needs to clearly identified as a 
>> separate stop.
>>
>> Each stand has its own ID number.  While the signposts at stops 
>> generally give greater prominence to "Stand A", "Stand B" or 
>> sometimes "Stand B1", Stand B2" etc, the six or seven digit reference 
>> numbers seem to be more prominent in the public transport apps and 
>> have a necessary place in the OSM database.
>
>
> +1
>
>
> I think the 'Stand *' should come before the location. Why? Because 
> the location can be determined by the lat/lon in the data base or its 
> location on a map. The 'Stand x' though is not something that can be 
> determined by lat/lon/location.
>
>
> The reference number is handy in getting a route from the web route 
> planner - the from and too fields can be used with the ref number 
> rather than typing the name.
>
>
> I recall having this conversation before on this list.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022, at 2:24 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1128912626 is an okay example, with
>>> ref being the Stop ID, and name being the stop name with the stand
>>> number appended to the end.
>>>
>>> So in your case,
>>>
>>> ref=201111
>>> name=Kings Cross Station Darlinghurst Rd, Stand A
>>>
>>> I don't think this is perfect but probably the best compromise
>>> currently. We could consider something like ref:stand=A.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 11:49, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What is the convention for tagging Sydney bus stops? I stumbled 
>>>> upon one but not sure how to tag the stop number and the stand 
>>>> letter so put those details in the note field
>>>>
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9465614221
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