[talk-au] Tagging Sydney bus stops

[Andrew Harvey]

I like the idea of local_ref for the stand letter and ref for the bus stop
number.

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 15:38, Stéphane Guillou via Talk-au <
talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Here from Meanjin/Brisbane, I've often struggled with naming bus stops,
> and I'm keen to learn more.
>
> I've switched between using what's on the sign (seen from afar), or on the
> timetable (often longer form). And using differing keys like: name,
> alt_name, short_name. So would love to have a better idea of what to do and
> what the de-facto or agreed-upon convention is...
>
> On thing that I noticed and that might factor in - although it's bordering
> on mapping for the renderer: the Transport Map layer on the OSM website
> visually "joins" bus stops that share the same name, which I find is a very
> helpful hint on the map. It looks like:
>
>    - It does it by exact name match, like here:
>    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-27.48698/153.01086&layers=T
>    - But not by reference, like here (Raven St - 12 stop):
>    https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=20/-27.48591/153.00169&layers=T
>
> Probably something that the renderer could be improved on, but thought I'd
> mention it here because it makes me wonder if there are other data
> consumers who rely on bus stop name matches, and then make use of a
> separate tag like local_ref for the precise stand/platform (if needed).
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:local_ref
>
> Cheers
> On 2/2/22 19:01, Warin wrote:
>
>
> On 2/2/22 18:24, cleary wrote:
>
> I suggest leaving the bus stop ID number in the format that Andrew
> initially stated, ref=201111 (rather than ref:stand=A)
>
> As a regular used of buses (pre-covid), I think "Stand A" etc needs to be
> part of the name.  At some locations, the stands are a block or more apart
> (such as the multiple Martin Place and Town Hall bus stops in Sydney and
> the many different stops at major suburban transport interchanges).   Each
> "stand" needs to clearly identified as a separate stop.
>
> Each stand has its own ID number.  While the signposts at stops generally
> give greater prominence to "Stand A", "Stand B" or sometimes "Stand B1",
> Stand B2" etc, the six or seven digit reference numbers seem to be more
> prominent in the public transport apps and have a necessary place in the
> OSM database.
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
> I think the 'Stand *' should come before the location. Why? Because the
> location can be determined by the lat/lon in the data base or its location
> on a map. The 'Stand x' though is not something that can be determined by
> lat/lon/location.
>
>
> The reference number is handy in getting a route from the web route
> planner - the from and too fields can be used with the ref number rather
> than typing the name.
>
>
> I recall having this conversation before on this list.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022, at 2:24 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1128912626 is an okay example, with
> ref being the Stop ID, and name being the stop name with the stand
> number appended to the end.
>
> So in your case,
>
> ref=201111
> name=Kings Cross Station Darlinghurst Rd, Stand A
>
> I don't think this is perfect but probably the best compromise
> currently. We could consider something like ref:stand=A.
>
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 11:49, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com>
> <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What is the convention for tagging Sydney bus stops? I stumbled upon one
> but not sure how to tag the stop number and the stand letter so put those
> details in the note field
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9465614221
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