[talk-au] OSM Notes

Wed Mar 2 05:07:02 UTC 2022

Hi all

I agree one should be cautious with closing notes with a changeset that 
only relies on aerial imagery, in particular when the note specifically 
mentions that a survey is necessary (e.g. "ground-truthing required").

Recently, a keen fellow local mapper started resolving notes one by one 
in my local area by actually traveling to the location (by bike I 
believe). That resulted in high-quality, up-to-date data, and wouldn't 
have happened without those open notes.

Nevertheless, I want to say that I really appreciate the time that was 
invested in the recent note-closing work. It's great to see so many 
small improvements happening all around the map, and the activity on the 
notes themselves might bring new contributors in, or even just motivate 
them to open new notes.

Cheers

On 2/3/22 12:42, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> For example,
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2381617, tracks in the bush 
> often aren't visible from imagery, so it needs a ground survey to add 
> them.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2684418 a street library won't be 
> visible on aerial imagery, you either need to confirm on the ground or 
> use street level imagery. If it's unable to be verified remotely best 
> to leave it open for someone on the ground to verify it.
>
> Though I realise it's not always easy and at some point it makes sense 
> to close the note as unactionable.
>
> StreetComplete asks about open notes.
>
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 12:01, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Thanks, Andrew, & not disagreeing!
>
>     But when there's a Note still there from ~4 years ago that says
>     "Path", & when we look, there's a path already mapped 20m away
>     from that note tag, do we assume that that is the path in question
>     so close the note as resolved, or hope that somebody will get
>     there sometime to check it out, although nobody has apparently yet
>     looked at it in the last 4 years?
>
>     & it gets worse in remote areas. Which mapper is going to trek 10k
>     in from the nearest road (or for some of them out West, 100+k!) to
>     confirm that there is a track (that doesn't appear on any imagery
>     or Govt sources) running from here to there?
>
>     At least partially, some of the problem is that Notes are
>     invisible unless deliberately activated. Any of us could have 100
>     of them within 5k of our home, which could be easily checked, but
>     not know about them, so never check & resolve them.
>
>     & then, over these last several days, I'm seeing a few notes being
>     reactivated (often by people with user names but 0 edits) but with
>     no comment as to why they've reactivated them? I wonder if some
>     people think that they have to have a note on the map to show that
>     "this is here"?
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Graeme
>
>
>     On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 19:08, Andrew Harvey
>     <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         While there has been a lot of good work going on with these
>         notes, I would like to point out that many are there because
>         they need a ground survey to check. So the goal should not be
>         to get open notes to zero only from airchair mapping. If it's
>         not something that's actionable without a survey then best
>         leave it open as many apps ask users on the ground to
>         comment on open notes and some mappers look at them for their
>         local area.
>
>         There was some concern raised about this on the Oceania
>         discord channel and I've noticed myself, so wanted to raise it
>         here.
>
>         On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 15:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick
>         <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>             On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 10:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick
>             <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>                 As I write this, there are now 3543
>
>
>             Sorry if I'm boring any of you? :-), but thought I'd
>             update this to mention that after another 11 days, we are
>             now at 2460!
>
>             & please check out the graph :-) - I'm waiting eagerly for
>             the cross-over that has to be due any day now! :-)
>
>             https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia
>
>                 The oldest Notes have also jumped from 2013 to ~30
>                 still outstanding from 2017,
>
>
>             Now at two tricky ones from 2018, + 24 others prior to
>             2019, all with questions asked on them.
>
>             Thanks
>
>             Graeme
>
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