[talk-au] Assistance with ongoing disagreement regarding intersections

Dian Ågesson me at diacritic.xyz
Fri Mar 4 05:30:48 UTC 2022



Hello,

I'd like some assistance resolving a disagreement I'm involved with 
regarding the correct mapping of dual carriageways at intersections. I 
have previously mentioned this topic on the mailing list here: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/014968.html 
[1].

To summarise briefly, a very active contributor prefers to model dual 
carriageway intersections in a manner that I don't believe is correct.

Turn lanes are split from main carriageways at the start of the new turn 
lane, then cross over each other in an "X" shape, rather than a Box 
shape that I've seen documented. (Examples, because I am bad at 
explaining: Burwood Hwy/Mountain Hwy [2], Smith St/Dandenong Rd [3], 
Burwood Hwy/Dorset Rd [4], Princes Hwy/William Rd [5]) Additional 
highways are introduced for left hand turns where there is no physical 
separation (eg, Mt Dandenong Tourist Rd/Mountain Highway [6], Greville 
St N/Sturt St [7], Glenleith St/Church St [8]). This editor has been an 
extremely active contributor for many, many years: I found these 
examples by just zooming in on a given town or suburb, found 
intersection that was modelled this way, and checked the history to 
confirm the source.

I initially engaged with the user in September (111051481 [9]), and 
after some initial delay, we have engaged in a productive conversation 
[10] since. To the user's credit, they have been patient and 
understanding in our interactions, and have made adjustments to their 
mapping style based on my feedback. Unfortunately, we have reached a 
fundamental point of disagreement [11], and I don't believe further 
changeset discussions are going to be productive.

I'm now a little too close to this discussion to be objective, and I 
would really appreciate some assistance with this disagreement. Due to 
the extraordinary output of this user, simply avoiding editing in 
similar areas isn't going to be practical. But am I incorrect in my 
assessment of intersection modelling? Is this a question of style, or of 
accuracy?

Kind Regards,
Dian.

Links:
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[1] 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/014968.html,
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8917929878
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2951838115/history
[4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8925914559/history
[5] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779286918/history
[6] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/113685299/history
[7] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/976666655/history
[8] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/75040109/history
[9] https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/111051481
[10] 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=206929&commented
[11] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/118038711
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