[talk-au] Mapping shared driveways

[Tom Brennan]

I'm relatively agnostic as to which one tagging mechanism is used. I'd 
probably have a slight leaning to service=driveway for everything, and 
then have a lower level key. Yes, the wiki would need changing, but 
semantically, they are all driveways (shared or not).

Whether or not it is possible, it would probably be useful to change 
*=pipestem to a different tag (eg *=shared_driveway). Pipestem implies a 
narrower definition than shared driveway ("Pipestems are common in rural 
areas and planned suburban residential developments in the United 
States.").

The idea of the pipestem is a long driveway which other driveways hang off.

However, some of the examples Sebastian has raised - both residential 
and commercial - are definitely shared driveways, but I wouldn't 
describe them as pipestems as they don't actually have minor driveways.

cheers
Tom
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On 16/03/2022 8:53 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> In the global community it's still disputed, see
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:service%3Ddriveway#Pipestems
> and my proposal to have this as an editor preset
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/pull/239 where the
> tagging question is still not resolved.
> 
> I've actually come around to the idea that service=pipstem is better,
> rational being that service=driveway is very clearly defined on the wiki as
> a non-shared driveway leading to a single residence. I think it's best we
> leave that intact and have a sibling tag service=pipestem for shared
> driveways. Otherwise you'll need to redefine service=driveway to be any
> type of shared or non-shared driveway and add a new tag driveway=single to
> most existing highway=service.
> 
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 08:10, Tom Brennan <website at ozultimate.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think I started the last discussion on this, so I'll wade in!
>> Driveways are a bit of a nightmare - there are lots that don't fit
>> neatly into one bucket or another.
>>
>> We did agree that service=driveway, driveway=pipestem was better than
>> service=pipestem.
>>
>> It's probably 6 of one, half a dozen of the other as to whether the ones
>> below are all shared driveways. Some could equally be classified as
>> private residential roads.
>>
>> But they could all do with a clean up, one way or the other!
>>
>> cheers
>> Tom
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>> On 15/03/2022 9:22 pm, Dian Ågesson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Seb!
>>>
>>> The last time this came up on the mailing list
>>> (
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/015014.html)
>>
>>> most people seemed to approve of the following mapping:
>>>
>>> highway=service
>>>
>>> service=driveway
>>>
>>> driveway=pipestem
>>>
>>> Dian
>>>
>>> On 2022-03-15 20:16, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Had a query regarding the mapping of driveways / shared  driveways as
>>>> there seems to be quite a number of different approaches in the data.
>>>> Below are three examples of similar ways that have different tags used
>>>> in each instance.
>>>>
>>>> Highway=service
>>>> Service= driveway
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/818426144
>>>>
>>>> Highway=Residential
>>>> Service= driveway
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/184844142#map=18/-38.00126/145.27585
>>>>
>>>> Highway=residential
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/429541974
>>>>
>>>> Reading the OSM wiki, none of these ways are correctly mapped as they
>>>> are all shared driveways that leads from a road. my understanding that
>>>> they need to be tagged as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Highway=service
>>>> Service= Pipestem
>>>>
>>>> Would be interested in knowing your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Sebastian
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