[talk-au] user TheSwavu
Dian Ågesson
me at diacritic.xyz
Mon May 2 21:47:25 UTC 2022
Good morning Anthony,
I've had a look at the intersection in question. In this edit
(https://osmcha.org/changesets/120456255) TheSwavu has:
- Deleted forty five relations
- Deleted four ways within the intersection ("the cross")
- Altered four restrictions to apply a u-turn restriction using a way as
a "via" role
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that
- The u turn restrictions only work "for one node, not two".
- The "cross"/four ways within the intersection is a valid mapping
practice
ON THE U-TURN ISSUE
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13628392
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13628393
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13628394
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13628395
These four u turn restrictions appear to be correct. They prevent u
turns from each direction of the dual carriageways.
There is no need to add additional restrictions for vehicles travelling
from "two nodes away" because as a vehicle passes though the
intersection it will be prevented from turning at the same point. The
one way restrictions also prevent vehicles being routed through those
ways to "avoid" the restriction.
What are you using to test the routing? It would be useful to know how
you believe these restrictions aren't effective.
ON THE INTERSECTION MODELLING
> you will realise those crosses at intersections do not break any OSM
> rules or policys. The no physical divide argument is not valid because
> they do not represent two different roads, this person is reverting
> edits he really knows nothing about.
I believe you are saying that because these turn lanes are representing
a _single _road, rather than two roads, the principle of not splitting
ways doesn't apply?
If so, you've misunderstood this guideline. There is no barrier
enforcing physical separation between the road and it's turn lanes. They
should not be mapped as separate ways.
COLLABORATION
> This community seems to be all about winning a argument than giving a
> shit about the map.
From what I can see here, there isn't anyone who really wants to be
having an argument at all. Other editors have pointed out where you
might have misinterpreted the edits, and asked for more details. Myself,
and others, have looked and seen nothing wrong on examination.
What is the routing service you are using, and what route are you
testing? If there is a problem it needs to be fixed, but I (and it
seems, everyone else) can't see what the problem is.
Dian
On 2022-05-02 17:27, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
> He really is a major problem, it's a bit tedious but if anyone actually
> spent the time to randomly go through some of his edits you will see
> straight away how dangerous his edits really are. He 100% is randomly
> clicking buttons without even looking at what he is doing, as as
> everyone has seen here there is nothing I can do about it, he has the
> full support of a very vocal group here and he is free to go about it.
> If no one with a better voice than me can be bothered to actually look
> at these edits that's it for anyone to even bother to try to route
> anything youll be wasting your time. All my edits have always been by
> hand and personal knowledge and if that isn't as good as someone
> clicking buttons than everyone is wasting there time on this project.
>
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> I am going to go through every single edit in Adelaide from this guy
> and report each one individually here and his user page, the small
> vocal group that backs this guy congrats your screwing the map!
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> So how would you feel if someone had the full support of a small but
> vocal group on discord and given pretty much free rein to revert every
> single one of your edits because he got call out, well it's happening
> to me. I would like to report theswavu for this edit Relation History:
> 13736691 |
> OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13736691/history>
> he deleted a restriction I put there to prevent u-turning from the
> service road. This community seems to be all about winning a argument
> than giving a shit about the map. I will be reporting him on his user
> page for this edit too.
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> Yes martins road/waterloo corner road/bagster theswavu and randomly
> clicked buttons again and allowed u-turns from 2 nodes away, I think
> his little validator tool only works from 1 node or something, either
> way he has no local knowledge of this area
>
> From: Dean Scott<mailto:deanscott775 at outlook.com>
> Sent: Monday, 2 May 2022 11:03 PM
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> Hi, what section of road has TheSwavu allowed u-turns? If you are
> referring to the intersection with traffic lights, the u-turn?s are
> correctly tagged. If not, please point it out to us so we can better
> understand
>
> Regards,
> Scottie0001
>
> From: Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com>
> Date: Monday, 2 May 2022 at 10:57 pm
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> Reporting user TheSwavu |
> OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheSwavu>
> 2 hours ago he made this changeset Changeset: 120456255 |
> OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/120456255#map=17/-34.75536/138.63155>
> he has allowed u-turns
>
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> From: Sam Wilson <sam at samwilson.id.au>
> To: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] New OSM Discourse site: community.osm.org
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> It's growing in use, I think (not with Australia-specific discussion).
>
> It feels like a pretty good site, I check the headlines most days, and
> I
> think one advantage is being able to get a feel for what's being
> discussed elsewhere. Also to have location-specific discussions that
> benefit either from the input of people elsewhere or to let other
> people
> know how one place is doing things.
>
> I don't like the notification system that much, but part of that is I
> think that the ratio of meta posts to real topical ones is quite large
> at the moment. It is decreasing though, as more people take part.
>
> ?Sam
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> On 1/5/22 06:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> So how's it going after this first month?
>>
>> Any marked advantages / disadvantages over the existing mailing list?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 12:52, Sam Wilson <sam at samwilson.id.au> wrote:
>>
>> The new community.openstreetmap.org
>> <https://community.openstreetmap.org> site is up and running.
>>
>> It's going to replace the old forum, including the users:
>> Australia <https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=24>
>> subforum.
>>
>> I'm not sure if we should ask for an Australia category to be
>> created on the new site. Probably not worth it until there's some
>> amount of content relating to Australia.
>>
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> And also, if you really look hard enough into it, you will realise
> those crosses at intersections do not break any OSM rules or policys.
> The no physical divide argument is not valid because they do not
> represent two different roads, this person is reverting edits he really
> knows nothing about.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dean Scott <deanscott775 at outlook.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 11:03:51 PM
> To: Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com>; talk-au at openstreetmap.org
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> Subject: Re: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 3
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> Hi, what section of road has TheSwavu allowed u-turns? If you are
> referring to the intersection with traffic lights, the u-turn?s are
> correctly tagged. If not, please point it out to us so we can better
> understand
>
> Regards,
>
> Scottie0001
>
> From: Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com>
> Date: Monday, 2 May 2022 at 10:57 pm
> To: talk-au at openstreetmap.org <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 3
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> Reporting user TheSwavu |
> OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheSwavu>
>
> 2 hours ago he made this changeset Changeset: 120456255 |
> OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/120456255#map=17/-34.75536/138.63155>
> he has allowed u-turns
>
> ________________________________
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> It's growing in use, I think (not with Australia-specific discussion).
>
> It feels like a pretty good site, I check the headlines most days, and
> I
> think one advantage is being able to get a feel for what's being
> discussed elsewhere. Also to have location-specific discussions that
> benefit either from the input of people elsewhere or to let other
> people
> know how one place is doing things.
>
> I don't like the notification system that much, but part of that is I
> think that the ratio of meta posts to real topical ones is quite large
> at the moment. It is decreasing though, as more people take part.
>
> ?Sam
>
> On 1/5/22 06:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> So how's it going after this first month?
>>
>> Any marked advantages / disadvantages over the existing mailing list?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 12:52, Sam Wilson <sam at samwilson.id.au> wrote:
>>
>> The new community.openstreetmap.org
>> <https://community.openstreetmap.org> site is up and running.
>>
>> It's going to replace the old forum, including the users:
>> Australia <https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=24>
>> subforum.
>>
>> I'm not sure if we should ask for an Australia category to be
>> created on the new site. Probably not worth it until there's some
>> amount of content relating to Australia.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Talk-au at openstreetmap.org
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