[talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 21

Tue May 3 00:19:31 UTC 2022

Yes at the median is fine, but not from where the point of view of that picture is. TheSwavu has allowed u-turns starting from exactly the point of view of that picture and back

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From: Luke Stewart <suburbansilvervlogs at gmail.com>
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The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385&lat=-34.72009104&lng=138.66975917&z=17&focus=photo
would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the
mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns in
median breaks.

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com> wrote:

> You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road
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> *From: *Dian ?gesson <me at diacritic.xyz>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM
> *To: *Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com>
> *Cc: *talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13
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> Anthony,
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> This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to
> be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons
> without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits
>
> Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as
> I have not reviewed them all.
>
> However, every edit that you?ve referred to in this mail chain as being
> ?wrong? hasn?t had any issues. We?ve covered:
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> - Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid)
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> - remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid)
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> - adding a u turn using a way as a ?via? member (valid)
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> And you have now raised a different type of problem,
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> - Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights.
>
> On the latter point, I quote
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> https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf
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> A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights *if
> there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection*"
>
> Note 2?
> U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there
> is a no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the
> driver must or may turn right?see rule 92.
>
> this is now the fourth type of error which isn?t actually wrong.
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> If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am
> unable to identify a problem in the edits you?ve raised.
>
> Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before
> responding with another flurry of emails.
>
> dian
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> On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
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> This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to
> be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons
> without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits
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> You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is
> with this edit. The
> road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
> median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or
> traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if
> there is a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the understanding
> to be able to blindly click buttons from this state,ent alone, and yet
> people will come to your defence lmao
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>    1. Re: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest,
>       Vol 179, Issue 6) (Andrew Davidson)
>    2. TheSwavu (Anthony Panozzo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:33:00 +1000
> From: Andrew Davidson <theswavu at gmail.com>
> To: talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re:
>         Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6)
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> On 3/5/22 08:18, Anthony Panozzo wrote:
> > Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me
> > it is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections
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> Gmail will send an email to both the mail list and the original sender
> by default on reply. You will have noticed the list email address in the
> CC:. Or maybe you didn't notice?
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> By the way, the link you sent me off-list:
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> https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/
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> says exactly the same thing I was trying to explain to you. Perhaps this
> video might make it clearer:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0SzfStP1nE
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> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:38:42 +0000
> From: Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com>
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> Subject: [talk-au] TheSwavu
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> By directly emailing me he trying to mess up the way au-talk is
> formatting, no one here gets to see what he is emailing me, he has no clue
> about the laws/rules or the areas, this is a joke
>
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>    1. Re: New OSM Discourse site: community.osm.org (Andy Townsend)
>    2. U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re:  Talk-au Digest, Vol
>       179, Issue 6) (Andrew Davidson)
>    3. Re: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest,
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> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:50:24 +0100
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> On 02/05/2022 22:36, Andrew Davidson wrote:
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> > How do we get a category we can interact with through email? I haven't
> > used Discource enough to picture how it works.
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> If you enable mailing list mode in your profile, you will get emailed
> all messages and can reply to them by email too.? What you can't yet do
> is to create a new thread by email - to do that you'll need to go to
> e.g. https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/help-and-support/7 and click
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> Best Regards,
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> Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:00:50 +1000
> From: Andrew Davidson <theswavu at gmail.com>
> To: Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com>
> Cc: OpenStreetMap <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re:  Talk-au
>         Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6)
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> On Tue, 3 May 2022, 03:02 Anthony Panozzo, <panozz at outlook.com> wrote:
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> >  I would like to report theswavu for this edit Relation History: 13736691
> > | OpenStreetMap <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13736691/history
> >
> > he deleted a restriction I put there to prevent u-turning from the
> service
> > road.
> >
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with this edit. The
> road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a
> median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or
> traffic lights:
>
> https://www.approveddrivingschool.com.au/mastering-u-turns-3-point-turns/
>
> There is no sign or traffic lights at this intersection so you are allowed
> to do a u-turn, provided that you adhere to the other associated rules:
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> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1365151817189473
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> Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me it
> is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections, lmao he doesn?t know the
> laws, he doesn?t know the area, he cant be trusted to blindly click buttons
> but so many people are arguing he is perfectly fine to go about his edits I
> hope DWG see this Do you know the U-turn road rules? | samotor The RAA
> Magazine<
> https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/#:~:text=If%20you%E2%80%99ve%20seen%20a%20fellow%20driver%20doing%20a,you%20can%20perform%20this%20manoeuvre%20at%20this%20location.
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> From: Andrew Davidson<mailto:theswavu at gmail.com <theswavu at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 7:31 AM
> To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:panozz at outlook.com <panozz at outlook.com>>
> Cc: OpenStreetMap<mailto:talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>>
> Subject: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: [talk-au] Talk-au
> Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6)
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> On Tue, 3 May 2022, 03:02 Anthony Panozzo, <panozz at outlook.com<mailto:
> panozz at outlook.com>> wrote:
>  I would like to report theswavu for this edit Relation History: 13736691
> | OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13736691/history>
> he deleted a restriction I put there to prevent u-turning from the service
> road.
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with this edit.
> The road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end
> of a median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting
> it or traffic lights:
>
> https://www.approveddrivingschool.com.au/mastering-u-turns-3-point-turns/
>
> There is no sign or traffic lights at this intersection so you are allowed
> to do a u-turn, provided that you adhere to the other associated rules:
>
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1365151817189473
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> Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me it
> is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections, lmao he doesn?t know the
> laws, he doesn?t know the area, he cant be trusted to blindly click buttons
> but so many people are arguing he is perfectly fine to go about his edits I
> hope DWG see this
> Do you know the U-turn road rules? | samotor The RAA Magazine<
> https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/#:~:text=If%20you%E2%80%99ve%20seen%20a%20fellow%20driver%20doing%20a,you%20can%20perform%20this%20manoeuvre%20at%20this%20location.
> >
>
> And he didn?t even watch the video in the link he sent me either, this is
> a complete joke, keep in mind you are arguing FOR this guy to keep going
> about his edits freely with out question this blow my mind, you would
> rather win an argument than care 1 bit about the map
>
>
>
>
> From: Andrew Davidson <theswavu at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 7:30:50 AM
> To: Anthony Panozzo <panozz at outlook.com>
> Cc: OpenStreetMap <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: [talk-au] Talk-au
> Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6)
>
> On Tue, 3 May 2022, 03:02 Anthony Panozzo, <panozz at outlook.com<mailto:
> panozz at outlook.com>> wrote:
>
>  I would like to report theswavu for this edit Relation History: 13736691
> | OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13736691/history>
> he deleted a restriction I put there to prevent u-turning from the service
> road.
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with this edit.
> The road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end
> of a median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting
> it or traffic lights:
>
> https://www.approveddrivingschool.com.au/mastering-u-turns-3-point-turns/
>
> There is no sign or traffic lights at this intersection so you are allowed
> to do a u-turn, provided that you adhere to the other associated rules:
>
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1365151817189473
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