[talk-au] Road corridors with no road - what access?

[Warin]

On 11/12/23 22:55, Tom Brennan wrote:
> In NSW these are known as Crown Roads, or 'paper roads' (where they 
> are not constructed). They are administered by the state government, 
> and in theory, access is public. It can be hard to tell just by 
> looking at parcel data whether something is a Crown Road or not.
>
> There has been a program in recent years of selling these off to the 
> adjacent landholder.
>
> In some cases these provide access to parks and reserves, and letters 
> have needed to be written to the Dept of Planning to protest the 
> relevant sale.
>
> I assume Victoria probably has a similar system to NSW


Queensland too has similar 'gaps' between land allotments. Some of them 
used by the Bicentennial Trail.


>
> cheers
> Tom
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> On 11/12/2023 5:40 pm, Adam Horan wrote:
>> When comparing satellite imagery and various maps on Vic Maps, you 
>> can find
>> what seem to be road corridors that don't have roads in them. (I'm 
>> looking
>> on https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/ and
>> https://mapshare.vic.gov.au/mapsharevic/ and when you show parcel 
>> data you
>> can see these linear areas that extend off the end of roads, usually in
>> rural areas. These linear areas do not show parcel information, 
>> unlike the
>> surrounding blocks)
>>
>> They tend to be visible in sat imagery too as scrubby or rougher land
>> compared to the fields and paddocks around them.
>>
>> I would love to be able to legally (and safely) use these as walking and
>> running routes in my  surrounding countryside, and also allow others 
>> to do
>> so. They're attractive as they're traffic free.
>>
>> I'll link to some examples below, but I'll ask my questions here:
>> 1. How can I validate if these are unbuilt roads, and how can I check 
>> what
>> the access is?
>> 1a. I guess as these aren't main roads that they belong to the local
>> council?
>> 2. If a path is already present then I can map that as a simple path, 
>> but
>> how could I map and tag the land?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> Example 1 :  Lambert Road, Pearcedale
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-38.1829/145.2334
>> If you look on VicMap you can see the corridor extends to the west to 
>> meet
>> with Middle Road.
>> https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-2TIhhoK5rNdNfc4m2WxVtMMraiG
>> https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.182821%7E145.233097&lvl=17.8&style=h
>> This one seems pretty clear to me as there's a nice clear wooded 
>> line, when
>> I recently passed this on Middle Rd you could see an unfenced section.
>>
>> Example 2 : NW extension of 'Favorite Hill Rd' to North Road
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-38.17566/145.23470
>> https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-5PIrhAi6EP5M1ivchIyH9lfyGxF
>> https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.174379%7E145.236276&lvl=17.3&style=h
>>
>> This one is visible on sat imagery, however it does seem to be fenced 
>> off
>> from the established road.
>>
>>
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