[talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

[Andrew Harvey]

I agree, indeed some are already mapped this way
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7032873

On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 15:20, cleary <osm at 97k.com> wrote:

>
> This was discussed about a decade ago in regard to unincorporated areas in
> NSW and SA.  The prevailing view was that unincorporated areas are local
> government areas. They usually have a different administrative structure
> (as distinct from the councils that administer local government in more
> populated areas) but irrespective of administrative structure, they are
> still areas which are subject to a form of local governance.  An area does
> not need a council to make it a local government area.
>
> "Unincorporated" means that the administrative body is not a legal entity
> that can enter into contracts/debt etc like a company - usually because the
> areas have insufficient population to support such administrative
> structures. However decision making is often delegated to the local level.
> In NSW, the large western unincorporated area used to be administered by a
> board - I think it has changed and now has an administrator although, as
> far as I know, Roads and Maritime Services remains responsible for the
> roads in the area.  Lord Howe Island is an unincorporated area administered
> by a local board.  In recent years, Sydney Harbour (including much of
> Parramatta RIver) and Botany Bay have been removed from local council
> controls and are now an unincorporated area of NSW - I am uncertain of the
> administrative arrangements but I think it was intended that state
> government authorities or administrators would exercise necessary
> governance over the Harbour area.
>
> For example, if one views NSW Local Government Areas at
>
> https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?url=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.spatial.nsw.gov.au%2Fserver%2Frest%2Fservices%2FNSW_Administrative_Boundaries_Theme%2FFeatureServer%2F8&source=sd
> and then "left click" (or whatever works in your browser) when the cursor
> is in Sydney Harbour, you will get responses such as "LocalGovernmentArea:
> UNINCORPORATED - SYDNEY HARBOUR AREA"  This URL can be acccessed directly
> or via the NSW Spatial Services website.
>
> Unincorporated areas are local government areas, albeit with a different
> form of governance.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, at 8:51 AM, Brendan Barnes wrote:
> > Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level
> > unincorporated areas should have in Australia?
> >
> > In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas
> > are administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments,
> > so I'm thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government
> > authorities.
> >
> > ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching
> > the territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4.
> >
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Australia#Unincorporated_areas
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