[talk-au] Canyon/creek names in NSW

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

There are also, of course, the myriad, much smaller, "gullies" & similar,
signposted on roads & highways all over the country e.g
https://maps.app.goo.gl/x55N4bqypQc22Msz6

The bridge crosses the gully, which has a creekbed in it, which is shown on
QTopo as an un-named intermittent creek
https://qtopo.information.qld.gov.au/?extent=17007083.944%2C-3276416.8603%2C17010134.2591%2C-3275129.3741%2C102100,
& which I've mapped as an intermittent stream named Dog Leg Gully (from
driving across it many times, *not* via Google!)

Is that right?

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 at 06:13, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> We have natural=gorge
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dgorge documented for a
> canyon. It's not mentioned on that page but on natural=valley
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dvalley it recommends to
> have one way for the waterway and another way for the valley sharing nodes,
> so I would do the same for natural=gorge.
>
> Then you'd have the canyon name on the way with natural=gorge, and if the
> creek really has no name then leave the name off the waterway.
>
> You have to make a call if those "made up" creek names like "Firefly
> Creek" are in sufficient use to justify applying them to the waterway.
>
> I was also thinking if we separately set official_name
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:official_name where the name is
> in the GNR. It's just that the current use of that tag is only where there
> is a different official name to the one signposted/in common use.
>
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 at 22:09, Tom Brennan <website at ozultimate.com> wrote:
>
>> There are quite a few unnamed creeks in the Blue Mountains that have
>> canyons in them. The canyons have names.
>>
>> In some cases these creeks are just given the canyon name eg
>>
>> * Coachwood Canyon: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210714163
>> * Closet Canyon: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/402128556
>>
>> In other cases, the creek is given a name like <Canyon Name> Canyon Creek
>> eg:
>>
>> * Firefly Canyon Creek: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210707878
>> * Newnes (Starlight) Canyon Creek:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/210711464
>>
>> Neither of these seems ideal to me.
>>
>> In the case of the first examples, the canyon generally makes up a very
>> small part of the creek.
>>
>> In the case of the second example, the names seem clunky and made up. I'd
>> be more inclined to use "Firefly Creek" rather than "Firefly Canyon Creek",
>> in the same way that many canyons are just given the name of the creek eg
>> * Dalpura Creek -> Dalpura Canyon (
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/630408810)
>> * Yileen Gully -> Yileen Canyon
>> * Fortress Creek -> Fortress Canyon
>> Of course they are still "made up" names!
>>
>> The canyon names generally have acceptance in the outdoor community so
>> I'm not fussed about that. My question is how best to construct a creek
>> name for an unnamed creek, given the canyon name. And to then apply it
>> consistently!
>>
>> cheers
>> Tom
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