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    <p>From Daniel Silk on the Slack chat for Australian mapping:</p>
    <p>><span class="message_body"> I would just reply and reiterate
        that they do not need to provide the data under a different
        license, but simply sign a waiver that clarifies some minor
        license differences and grants explicit permission for use.</span><span
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    <p><span class="message_body">> Is there a list of government
        departments that have signed one of these waivers?</span></p>
    <p>> <span class="message_body">I work for LINZ... ours is on
        the OSM wiki:
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/8/83/OSM_waiver_-_LINZ.pdf">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/8/83/OSM_waiver_-_LINZ.pdf</a></span></p>
    <p><span class="message_body">></span><span class="message_body">You
        could also interpret "</span><span class="message_body"><span
          class="message_body">It is our belief that a CC:BY licence is
          sufficient for use of our data."</span> as permission.</span></p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/01/18 15:38, Jonathon Rossi
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>> The Department will not provide the data under an Open
          Database license. It is our belief that a CC:BY licence is
          sufficient for use of our data.</div>
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        <div>Am I missing something, I didn't think we were asking
          anyone to relicense their data under the ODbL, just to accept
          our understanding of one clause (Section 3(a)(1)) and waive
          another (Section 2(a)(5)(B)). Are DNRM misunderstanding what
          we are requesting?</div>
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        <div>The second line of the waiver says:<br>
          > [Entity] waives Section 2(a)(5)(B) of the CC BY 4.0
          license as to OpenStreetMap and its users with the
          understanding that the Open Database License 1.0 requires open
          access or parallel distribution of OpenStreetMap data.<br>
          <br>
          Section 2(a)(5)(B) says:<br>
          >┬áNo downstream restrictions. You may not offer or impose
          any additional or different terms or conditions on, or apply
          any Effective Technological Measures to, the Licensed Material
          if doing so restricts exercise of the Licensed Rights by any
          recipient of the Licensed Material.</div>
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        <div>Aren't we (OSMF) just asking the copyright owner to waive
          their rights to this clause to allow downstream users of the
          collective OSM data so that for example it could be put on a
          Bluray disc. Their data would still be CCBY licensed, and the
          OSM data would be a mix of ODbL and CCBY licensed data?</div>
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        <div>/cc Simon Poole</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 3:19 PM Jonathon
              Rossi <<a href="mailto:jono@jonorossi.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">jono@jonorossi.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">I also want to make use of the QLD DCDB and
                was going to start a new thread on the mailing list
                about it today to work out how to get out of this
                stalemate after Andrew Davidson informed me last week.
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                <div>It appears Andrew Harvey just recently had great
                  luck with Victoria DELWP signing the waiver and on a
                  corporate letterhead. AndrewH was that luck and are
                  there any insights that you could assist us with here
                  that might help us convince QLD DNRM?</div>
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                <div>Jono</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 2:42 PM
                      Andrew Davidson <<a
                        href="mailto:theswavu@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">theswavu@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">It's a known problem with a
                        difference of opinion between the Queensland
                        Government and OSM as to licence compatibility.
                        See this thread for example:
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                        <div><a
href="https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg10883.html"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg10883.html</a><br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 19, 2018
                            at 3:34 PM, Satuim <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                href="mailto:95.5.radio@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">95.5.radio@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                <p>Hey everyone,</p>
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                                    <p>I recently asked for permission
                                      to use a CC-BY 4.0 dataset but got
                                      rejected. The dataset I want to
                                      use is fairly important
                                      (boundaries for suburbs and
                                      counties for QLD).</p>
                                    <p>Here is the response I got:</p>
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                                      <p>The Department will not provide
                                        the data under an Open Database
                                        license. It is our belief that a
                                        CC:BY licence is sufficient for
                                        use of our data.</p>
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