[OSM-talk-be] Conventions of primary/secondary/tertiary

[Ben Laenen]

Luc Van den Troost wrote:
> > Interesting fact, I personally didn't know that a road lost its national
> > number if it was transferred towards the local govornments. In fact
> > weren't there cases in the past where a provincial road had a national
> > number? They barely exist nowadays since most provinces transferred them
> > to the 'gewest' or 'city'.
>
> I am quite shure all provincial roads in the Flemish area - perhaps in
> the whole country - haven been transfered to the 'gewesten' exept in the
> province of Antwerpen.

About provincial roads in Antwerp, the documents are available online:


Roads transferred to Flemish Region:
http://www.provant.be/binaries/10_3_tcm7-73596.pdf

Roads which should go to municipalities (plus a few extra which will go to the 
Flemish Region)
http://www.provant.be/binaries/10_4_tcm7-78999.pdf

(which is an update of http://www.provant.be/binaries/10_2_tcm7-73595.pdf -- 
some roads which would go to municipalities in that document will now go to 
Flemish Region instead)

Note though that the roads in the second list aren't automatically 
transferred, because municipalities have to agree first. For most roads they 
agree, but the N148 is more problematic.


> So the N18, Turnhout - Mol, partially also called 'provincieweg'
>
> http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=51.288812031532885&lon=5.04849746012
>2812&zoom=15&layers=B0000F000F
>
> till at current stil is a provincial road, though it has a N number.

N18 is in the list of roads transferred to Flemish Region. If it is still 
provincial at this exact moment, it won't be for long.


> I do not think that a road looses it's national number because it is
> transfered to the local autorities, but in most cases i guess the
> decission to 'declassify' the road will be taken at the same time.
>
> Vaguely i remember to have captured something that there is no such
> thing as 'the official national roadnumber list of belgium'. It is just
> an administrative 'draft' that is comonly used, not a 'law' or similar.

It's a number used by the regional or provincial administrations to denote a 
road. If the road goes to the municipality level, these administrations don't 
need to know about that road anymore, and the road effectively "loses" the 
number, because municipalities don't give out road numbers (they can use 
street names :-) ) and no administration will use the road number anymore.


> Guess I found it on an unofficial site about belgian roads, don't know
> the url of it. Perhaps someone else knows a source of this?

I guess it's http://wegnummers.autosnelwegen.nl/wegen/belgie/index.html ?