[OSM-talk-be] Fietsnet using OSM

[Jo]

Hi Koen,

We are not lawyers, but the whole idea of having a freely available map is
to enable the use you are describing. The whole project is in the process of
changing the license to ODBL. Normally this should be good news, as it's
meant to clarify how the data can be used. I'm afraid you're going to have
to wade through some wiki pages and maybe ask your questions and describe
your doubts on legal-talk at openstreetmap.org.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License

Basically what it all comes down to is that you have to put a mention
somewhere accompanying the map or the data to accredit the Openstreetmap
project and that you have to license your improvements to the data under the
same license.

Of course you can PRESENT a mix of both OSM data and proprietary data. The
easiest way is probably to work with layers in that case. It's not a problem
that the application doing the combining and the presenting is proprietary,
as long as credit is given where credit is due.

Oh, I see Gerard already described it a lot more eloquently than I did...

On the input side, I think it's best your contributors all create OSM
accounts and enter their data directly into the OSM database.

Cheers,

Jo

2011/8/22 Koen Mannaerts [fietsnet.be] <koen at fietsnet.be>

>  Hi Jo, Kurt,
>
> Thanks heaps for helping!
>
> The most pressing question is about the OSM license.  I'm still not
> entirely sure what OSM considers a derivative or produced work.
> The idea is that our contributors will extend, complete or correct the OSM
> map, as far as trajectory information is concerned: nodes, the rcn
> relationships, highway, bicycle, foot keyvalues, ...
> Periodically, Fietsnet will import all this data, connect it to other
> sources (external like meteo and event poi's, internal like statistics and
> usage data), and generate graph and track tiles.  These binary tiles will be
> used by the publicly available, yet proprietary, routeplanner application.
>
> I'm not sure OSM's license allows for this scenario.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Koen
>
>
>
>
>
> Jo wrote:
>
> Hi Koen,
>
> That is great news! We always like to work together with other groups. Many
> of the cycle node networks (fietsknooppuntennetwerken) are already in OSM,
> but more eyes and hands will certainly improve the map. We have many more of
> the small roads (wandelpaden/fietspaden) than Googlemaps, so I believe it
> will be a lot better as a background layer for your route planner.
>
> If you want to organise a presentation for your members, I'd be happy to
> come and explain how to enter the data (preferably with JOSM, since it is a
> lot more convenient to enter route relations). I can also explain how to
> convert a selection of routes into a gpx file, which can then be used in a
> GPS device for navigation.
>
> I can also offer help with 'importing' the data from your GIS to OSM as a
> semi automated process.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jo
>
> 2011/8/21 Koen Mannaerts [fietsnet.be] <koen at fietsnet.be>
>
>> Hi, I'm Koen from Fietsnet.be. Since 2007 Fietsnet is a rather popular
>> routeplanner for the cycle node network in Belgium and the South of the
>> Netherlands. It's an independent and non-commercial project by cyclists.
>>
>> Currently we maintain our spatial information in a private GIS, but we're
>> considering to shift this toOpenStreetMap.  Using OSM may enable new
>> opportunities for the Fietsnet routeplanner, such as covering a larger area,
>> deviating from the established cycle node networks, creating turn-by-turn
>> navigation instructions and using richer road attributes.  OSM may also
>> benefit from this initiative, as Fietsnet has a large user base of active
>> cyclists and we've set up a process to reliably translate user feedback in
>> an adapted map. I.e. we may change our process to quickly adapt and sanitize
>> OSM data based on our current data and user feedback.
>>
>> We're new to OSM, and we have a lot of practical, technical and legal
>> questions about this move, too many and too boring to include in this
>> message.  If you have experience with OSM, and are willing to help us out in
>> one of these area's, it would be fantastic if you'd send us a
>> mail:meewerken at fietsnet.be <mailto:meewerken at fietsnet.be>.
>>
>> Let's do this!
>>
>> --
>> Koen Mannaerts | fietsnet.be
>>
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