[OSM-talk-be] Fixing administrative borders

[Maarten Deen]

On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:10:17 +0200, Julien Fastré wrote:
> What are "towns" and "suburbs" in Belgium ?
>
> In Liège, as far as I know, old communes are now the name of some
> "quartiers" (i do not know the word in english). If I would map them,
> I would use the disctrict/deelgemeentes/section level... But maybe I
> am wrong...

Looking a bit further, it could be that in Belgium towns are synonymous 
with deelgemeentes. At least when I look at 
<http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_gemeenten_in_het_Vlaams_Gewest>.

This would suggest that before the communal reshufflings in 1960-1970, 
a gemeente/commune would only consist of one town. Is that true?
That's a bit different from the Netherlands where there were (also in 
the past) almost always more than one town in a gemeente.
And then the info in the belgian page (which I have also put on the 
global page) would be complete.

Maarten


> 2011/6/8 Maarten Deen
>
>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:22:28 +0200, Andre Engels wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Maarten Deen wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Don't have much time to reply, so a short one:
>>>>>
>>>>> Always look at the country specific page to get the answers.
>>>>> The
>>>>> international
>>>>> page is just there for some "guiding", but the countries
>>>>> have to make
>>>>> their
>>>>> own rules. As is the case for Belgium.
>>>>>
>>>>> country: level 2
>>>>> regions: level 4
>>>>> communities: level 5
>>>>> provinces: level 6
>>>>> arrondissements: level 7
>>>>> municipalities: level 8
>>>>> district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 9
>>>>
>>>> Then why is this information not on the international page?
>>>> There is
>>>> absolutely no reason to have conflicting information on a
>>>> wiki.
>>>> In this list I am missing single towns. A municipality
>>>> consists of multiple
>>>> towns. Should it not be: municipality:8, town:9,
>>>> district/deelgemeentes/sections:10?
>>>> I assume 10 can be used for sububurbs/wijken too? (does
>>>> Belgium have that
>>>> concept like the Netherlands?)
>>>
>>> 'Deelgemeente' in Belgium is a different concept than in the
>>> Netherlands. They are former municipalities, which in the 1960s
>>> or
>>> 1970s have fused into larger municipalities. Thus, a
>>> deelgemeente/district/section is more like a town than like a
>>> wijk.
>>
>> Ok, I've also looked at wikipedia, to me it seems that from low
>> admin_level to high it should be:
>> - Municipality (Gemeente/Commune)
>> - Deelgemeente/district
>> - Town
>> - Suburb (Wijk)
>>
>> That would then suggest that everything from region down should be
>> dropped one admin_level:
>>
>> country: level 2
>> regions: level 3
>> communities: level 4
>> provinces: level 5
>> arrondissements: level 6
>> municipalities: level 7
>> district/deelgemeentes/sections: level 8
>> town: level 9
>> suburb: level 10
>>
>> Or start using admin_level=11.
>>
>> Maarten
>>
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