[OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium

[Benoit Coumont]

Thanks, I haven't really tried to open this file by an alternative way. 
But I see now that it isn't enough to be include in OSM. It's just a 
collection of POIs and we need exact localisation on street or partial 
street. It's a departure to go further but it doesn't replace a real 
view on the street.

I'm surprised that our administrations seems to not collect theses data. 
Because it's not just to improve a GPS software and say to the driver to 
go slower. It's essential in the development of ISA program (Intelligent 
Speed Adaptation, a system to limit technically the speed of vehicles ; 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_speed_adaptation ).


Le 20/11/12 00:37, A.Pirard.Papou a écrit :
> On 2012-11-19 10:52, Benoit Coumont wrote :
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I found this file with the localisations of zones 30 in Belgium 
>> (streets where the speed is limited to 30 km/h). It's collected by 
>> some people on this forum of gps users with the objective to see them 
>> on their gps software: 
>> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=123619
>>
>> I writed to Jean Herman (hermanjean57 at hotmail.com), the manager of 
>> this collect. He's ok to give this work to the OSM community. He told 
>> me the difficulty to organize the management and confess the slow 
>> death of this project. He didn't know OpenStreetMap, so I presented 
>> to him the advantages of OSM could give for this work. But I'm not 
>> sure he's ready or able to use OSM on his gps.
>>
>> Anyway, there are data we could use. But it's saved on a strange file 
>> (ov2) non recognized by the famous gspbabel. He use a free (free as a 
>> free beer and not as freedom of speech) software for windows called 
>> POIedit. I only use Linux on my computers so I couldn't do the 
>> conversion. Could somebody do that and post the result on the wiki?
> What do you mean, "only Linux"?  With "only Ubuntu", I ran the 
> following command
>
> perl -pe 's/^^(.*), +(.*),.*\] 
> +([^(]*)\(?([^)]*).*\@.*/$2\t$1\tZones30\/zone30.png\t32,32\t0,0\t$3\t$4/' 
> zone30_BE.utf8> POIs.txt
>
> that transformed the file to this format 
> <http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/Zones30/POIs.txt> to be used to 
> produce this POI map 
> <http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/OpenLayers_Vector_fast.html?zoom=11&lat=50.53654&lon=5.53611&layers=BFFFFFTFFFFFT>.
> Other POIs demos via *+* button.  I have a version with Google and 
> Bing as backgrounds, but as they're earning money with that and give 
> me nothing of it, I don't show these maps ;-)
>
> The "only other" system does most probably not run that command and it 
> doesn't know UTF-8 either. I've had to convert the asc file to UTF-8. 
> All the files are here <http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/Zones30/>.
>
> After installing Wine, you will probably be able to run POIedit.
>> If someone put this on the OSM database for his neighborhood, for his 
>> district and for his city, we could get quickly a map of speed 
>> limitations... Itoworld published a map to see that : 
>> http://www.itoworld.com/map/35#fullscreen
> Unfortunately, one shouldn't write a file and use it to map on OSM.
> One should update OSM and produce the files with it.
> To update OSM, one must know the coordinates for the start and end of 
> the limit.
>> I'm particularly convinced convinced that speed moderation is the 
>> best way to rediscover conviviality in our residential streets. Also, 
>> I added the 6 zones 30, corresponding to the seven school sites, in 
>> my neighborhood (St-Léonard, Liège) to demonstrate to politicals and 
>> residents that a wide zone 30 extended area would be more readable 
>> and consistent. An European petition is just launched to invite EU to 
>> take position. Informations and signs are on this website : 
>> http://30kmh.eu
> I first  thought of advising you to write a "howto update OSM for 
> speed limits", but that's too dangerous to be done by anyone as it 
> involves splitting roads.
> Rather, I would explain the people how to record the beginning and end 
> GPS decimal coordinates of the limits while waiting for the children 
> and to use OpenStreetBugs 
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs>: go to here 
> <http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/?zoom=8&lat=50.48674&lon=4.61604&layers=B0T> 
> , high-zoom to the street, click on it and enter modification requests 
> "limite 30 km/h LL.LLLLL l.lllll".
> Or possibly "street number, nnn m north, sss m south".
>
> I volunteer to make updates if I'm not the only one and if there is 
> some way to send me warning e-mail without publishing my e-mail 
> address, such as a mailing list.
>
> Cordialement,
>
> André.
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