[OSM-talk-be] boundary names and my program

[Sander Deryckere]

2012/11/29 A.Pirard.Papou <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>

>  On 2012-11-28 12:55, Jan-willem De Bleser wrote :
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Sander Deryckere <sanderd17 at gmail.com> <sanderd17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Why municipalities and not part-municipalities? When you enter a village,
> you get signs as these:http://1.standaardcdn.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2009/06/04/A7_BORDJE_IVH.MM.jpg.h170.jpg.280.jpg
> So the part-municipality is in a bigger font than the municipality. I wonder
> what's your reason to choose the municipality name if you really want the
> lowest admin level.
>
>  Show me the village borders with a municipality name and I'll change
> them.
> Send me the GPX traces of village borders and I'll map them.
> But they won't be boundary=administrative, nor part of the tree I'm
> talking about, because there's no lower administrative entity than a
> municipality (except districts of Antwerp if what I read is correct and
> complete, and they should of course bear their names).
>

I've been adding village boundaries in my area (West-Flanders) for a while
now. And West-Flanders is completely mapped. Just go to the relation of
West-Flanders (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/416271) and
click through the subareas. You will see that every municipality has some
villages included. Like the municiplity "Ieper" has the following
part-municipalities:
Relatie Boezinge
(1321378)<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1321378>als
subarea  Relatie
Brielen (1282897)
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1282897>als subarea
Relatie
Dikkebus (1169029)
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1169029>als subarea
Relatie
Elverdinge (1285012)
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1285012>als subarea
Relatie
Hollebeke (2241152)
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2241152>als subarea
Relatie
Ieper (1265063) <http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1265063> als
subarea  Relatie Sint-Jan
(1274555)<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1274555>als
subarea  Relatie
Voormezele (1169024)
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1169024>als subarea
Relatie
Vlamertinge (1283697)
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1283697>als subarea
Relatie
Zillebeke (1169028)
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1169028>als subarea
Relatie
Zuidschote (1285487)
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1285487>als subarea

Also, they are administrative. They are used by the administration of the
municipality (public works are negotiated and listed per part-municipality)
and they are used by the administration of the inhabitants (when people
write down their address, they normally use the part-municipality name).
It's not because they don't have something like a "government" that they
aren't administrative.

As an example for the negotiation per part-municipality: In Westrozebeke, a
part of the municipality of Staden, all fire hydrants are marked with
reflecting dots in the asphalt. While the moment you cross the border with
Oostnieuwkerke, an other part of Staden, the fire hydrant's aren't marked
that way any more.

So I do believe it fits in the admin_level hierarchy.

Oh, and I don't have GPX traces. I just took the boundaries from old,
out-of-copyright, maps, with extra documentation about the changing of
boundaries through time. They were hard to trace, so it was a lot of work.
But I'm happy that finally search tools work, and say I live in
Oostnieuwkerke, and not in Staden.

Regards,
Sander
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