[OSM-talk-be] Possible problem with Urbis data import in Brussels

[Jo]

Okay, then I looked at the wrong page, apparently. It all started as a
series of 'mechanical' operations on the data, but before submitting some
human intelligence still needs to be applied to make it all fit with the
existing data.

We can, of course, create an account like UrbisImport and then share the
password of that account. On the one hand that would seem quite odd to me.
On the other hand it kills the possibility to create statistics on who does
what where.

I guess I'm going to have to go and ask on talk-fr if they finally gave in
to the pressure from above and all created separate accounts for
integrating their cadastre. I don't think they actually did so and I've
always been saying that it shouldn't be necessary, just like they have.

Unfortunately it's hard to agree to disagree on this sort of subject. I may
also take a sabbatical leave of a few years/decades from the project. Just
like I did when the talk about the license change started. Unfortunately
that went on for years. I hate these kind of struggles.

Jo


2013/8/19 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshausen at gmail.com>

> Then the guidelines are clear I guess:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> Maybe we can create a separate account? Something like UrbisImport? Like
> suggested here:
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>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Ben Abelshausen
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> An import is generally considered to be distinct from a mechanical edit**
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>> *From:* Ben Abelshausen [mailto:ben.abelshausen at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 19, 2013 9:30 AM
>> *To:* Jo Simoens; OpenStreetMap Belgium
>> *Cc:* Paul Norman
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Possible problem with Urbis data import in
>> Brussels****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hi,****
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>> I think we all know that this import is supported by our local community
>> here in Belgium.****
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>> ** **
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>> What I know about imports:****
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>> ** **
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>> - Always use separate accounts****
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>> - Always announce on the imports list****
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>> ** **
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>> oh, and maybe that wiki page should change then? I think it needs to be
>> merged with this one:****
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>> ** **
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>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines****
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>> ** **
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>> As i understand the Urbis import is not really mechanical editing?****
>>
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>> ****
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
>> ben.abelshausen at gmail.com
>> http://twitter.com/xivk****
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>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> Here we go again. I've been reading this page, when I was checking out
>> what was needed for adding the UrbIS data:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edit_Policy****
>>
>> Where I found the following:****
>> Execute ****
>>
>> We recommend setting up a special account for mechanical edits but you
>> may use your existing account. Any account used to perform mechanical edits
>> must have agreed to the new Contributor Terms. ****
>>
>> ** **
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>> I can't help it that information on the wiki is in several places. At
>> first I actually added this bot=yes flag to my changesets.****
>>
>> ** **
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>> Anyway, I even discussed this with Frederik Ramm. He was very surprised,
>> but he didn't change the page, nor did he notify Paul Norman and Co. The
>> page has not been changed since then.****
>>
>> Anyhow, I did what needed to be done to comply with that page, maybe it
>> should link to all other pages, so people contemplating to do some sort of
>> import know which hoops need to be jumped through.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As far as the integration goes, I tried to learn from what happened in
>> France. Correct integration with already existing data and such. We don't
>> have blocks of houses with no streets in between. Discussion with the local
>> community has taken place. Not a single soul objected to the fact that we
>> would soon have all address data for Brussels capital region into the
>> database. In fact, I think that everybody is hoping that the rest of
>> Belgium will follow suit in the foreseeable future. PNorman shouldn't
>> despair, it's unlikely that this will happen the first 10-15 years...
>> Brussels information services is quite a pioneer to release their data
>> under a free license.****
>>
>> We've been at it for several months now, how come it's only being noticed
>> at this point in time? Did our changesets grow bigger, or is it only when
>> the information density becomes higher that flags are raised?****
>>
>> Kind regards,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jo****
>>
>> ** **
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>> 2013/8/16 Benoit Leseul <benoit.leseul at gmail.com>****
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> FYI, I received the following message from pnorman after doing an
>> Urbis import today. You may want to refrain doing this until the
>> situation is clarified.
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I noticed you conducting an import with
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/17361862
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>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/17360583
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>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16596677
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>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16572616
>>
>> The import guidelines require that imports be done from a dedicated
>> account, after consultation with the local community and imports@ and
>> be documented on the wiki. This was not done here.
>>
>> I can find no record of consultation with the imports@ mailing list.
>> Where is it?
>>
>> You need to use a dedicated account
>>
>> To contact me you can send a message or email the data working group.
>>
>> Paul Norman
>> for the Data Working Group
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