[OSM-talk-be] Intro and invitation to Random Hacks of Kindness

[Glenn Plas]

On 05/13/2013 02:18 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
> Glenn,
>
> did you take a look at wandelknooppunt.be <http://wandelknooppunt.be> 
> ? It shows all the walking network nodes. You can click on the nodes 
> and it compiles a route from that, following the walking network 
> routes between the numbered nodes. A similar thing exists for cyclist.
Ok, that was my first thought, so you just put in waypoints and ask for 
a route to be created, makes sense, fairly easy.

> The user should be able to compose his/her route. That's what 
> walking/cycling networks are for. this is not routing in the 
> traditional sense where you only give start and end-point.
> I remember reading on this mailing list that it is great so see all 
> the cycling/walking networks in Flanders. It is great that the data 
> has been inserted, but now the data is shown in a boring way. You 
> cannot interact with it. (i.e. compose a route). And the site that 
> shows it does not let you visualize all the other important aspects 
> for planning a walk / cycling trip. That's why I think it would be 
> nice to show to Tourisme Vlaanderen, that all this data can be combined.
>
> You cannot "beat" Tourisme Vlaanderen to display all walking networks. 
> They can do that themselves, and probably better, more complete and 
> more up-to-date. Why would they donate their data to OSM ? If they (or 
> someone else) can get more out of it (because there is other data as 
> well), they might see benefits to donate data.
>
> I believe some of the sites I mention have their source code in the 
> public domain. So you will probably find the way they treat the 
> opening hours in some git repository.
>
I don't think it's a matter of implementation (not for me at least) but 
having all datasources at hand.   I'll take a look at the repo's I can 
find on them.  It will eventually boil down to having access to payload 
data (or not).

> All data in the sites I mention is already in OSM, no need to access 
> other sources. Opening hours is a tag in OSM, so the data can be 
> inserted. There is somewhere a proposal to improve the current 
> tagging, but that's more for monthly schemes.
Sure, I was having those tags in my mind, but I know it's just not 
entered a lot by contributors, even in my own little town, I hardy pay 
attention to (entering) those opening hours.  My point was it should 
come from somewhere and even if it was at our disposal -easily- there is 
still the question, how accurate/up-to-date is it at any given time.

> As usual, the data is far from complete.
That's my problem with some other idea's I'm playing with, there is lots 
of data out there in OSM you could mash with, but end-users tend to drop 
out when they feel like it's incomplete and are missing out on some things.
>
> I'm not an entrepreneur, so I have no business plan at all :-) And 
> maybe "killer" app is not the right wording for this, just my idea 
> that the power is in the combinatie of the data, not in inserting a 
> lot of one type of data and getting that back out.

So, we'll end up selling T-shirts ;-)

I'll give it some more thought, perhaps delivering 80% of this could be 
done in 20% of the time (80/20 rule) , but the remaining 20% will 
probably eat 80% of the time spent on this.

Glenn
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