[OSM-talk-be] Brussels

[Marc Gemis]

from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/Development_overview

"During the indexing process an address is also calculated using the first
feature found for each level."

this probably explains why the address of Brussels is in only one community.



On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM, André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>wrote:

>  On 2013-11-13 12:18, Marc Gemis wrote :
>
> Can someone please tell me how I can properly tag this POI
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/237662466 ?
>
>  It's a shop located in the Pierstraat in Reet. The building has an
> addr:street tag and is part of an associatedStreet relation. However
> Nominatim (and openlinkmap) places it in the Pierstraat - Matenstraat. Do a
> look-up for "Vero Golf" on osm.org
>
> Would anyone mind so little? ;-)
>
> Brussels: *Village* Boundary Brussels, Ville de Bruxelles,
> Brussels-Capital, *French Community*, Brussels-Capital Region, 1000;1040,
> Belgium<http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=4.33549880981445&minlat=50.7964057922363&maxlon=4.40201187133789&maxlat=50.8904113769531>
>
> Nominatim locates that village in the French Community !!!
> And nobody seems to care !!!
>
>  ...
> Territorialité des langues<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communaut%C3%A9s_de_Belgique#Territorialit.C3.A9_des_langues>
>
> La Constitution belge a prévu, en son article 4<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_4_de_la_Constitution_belge>,
> *quatre **régions linguistiques
> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9gions_linguistiques_de_Belgique>* :
> la région de langue néerlandaise, la région de Bruxelles-Capitale (bilingue
> français-néerlandais), la région de langue française et la région de langue
> allemande (la plupart des communes des Cantons de l'Est<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_de_l%27Est_%28Belgique%29>).
> Ces quatre zones délimitent les territoires où chaque langue est la langue
> officielle, avec en plus trente communes situées près des frontières
> linguistiques où des minorités historiques bénéficient de facilités
> linguistiques <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilit%C3%A9s_linguistiques>
> .
>
> Les Communautés ne représentent donc pas directement l'ensemble des
> personnes parlant une des langues officielles, mais les habitants des
> différentes régions linguistiques.
>
>
>  Gemeenschap (België)<https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeenschap_%28Belgi%C3%AB%29>
>
> Een *gemeenschap* is een *persoonsgebonden overheid* in België<https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgi%C3%AB>
> .
>
> ...
>
> *Alle Belgen* vallen onder een van de volgende drie taalgemeenschappen ...
>
> ...
> Brussel
>
> *Brussel is officieel tweetalig*, behorend tot zowel de Vlaamse en Franse
> gemeenschap...
>
>
> The issue seems clear to me, especially in French.
> We have 3 kinds of persons according to the official language they speak,
> but we have *4 territories* one of which is bilingual in the sense that
> their people can choose between two languages. "behorend tot zowel" is
> ambiguous: it should made clear that it speaks of the persons and not the
> territories.
> But that's obvious. A territory cannot be inside 2 disjoint territories,
> and that's the problem...
> As OSM is obviously drawing territories, the communities do not fit in
> relations, these must contain territories
>
> As nobody cares, as I am presently involved in Brussels modifications, and
> as I know boundaries well, I can do that:
> - add a 4th territory aka community for Brussels.
> The only problem is how to name it.
> The three territories are called:
>
> Flemish Community, Communauté flamande, Vlaamse Gemeenschap, Flämische
> Gemeinschaft
> French Community, Communauté française, Franse Gemeenschap, Französische
> Gemeinschaft
> German-speaking Community, Communauté germanophone, Duitstalige
> Gemeenschap, Deutschsprachige Gemeinschaft
>
> They should normally not be called territories, but I'm not going to start
> a misunderstood revolution.
> Brussels' Community? Bilingual Community?
>
>  I know this is a complex street that starts as Pierstraat in Reet/Rumst
> in the east ,...
>
> I know it's a complex country that starts as Pierstraat in the west, ...
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Cordialement,
>
>   André.
>
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