[OSM-talk-be] Meeting OpenStreetMap, Brussels (Central station) on Thursday 3/10 at 19h

Fri Sep 27 06:53:08 UTC 2013

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas at pettiaux.be> wrote:
> 2013/9/27 Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>
>>
>> I'll be there.
>
>
> Great
>
>>
>> But I'm still confused about the goals of the meeting.
>
>
> good questions Marc. Here are my goals, which I hope will meet the ones of
> many of you :
>
> 1/ meet in person many Belgian mappers and active members of the Belgian OSM
> mailing list. I know many of you by names and actions, but I have not had
> the opportunity for such an important direct relation, that I find very
> usesul for developping further mutual respect, trust why not friendship, or
> professional relations. Thanks to RMLL2013 in Brussels, I have met Jo and
> Ben. This eases, at least for me, the exchange we have now still by email
> mostly.
>
> 2/ discuss in person, which is sometimes more efficient, some of the
> projects we have discussed on this list and if possible, move some a little
> further, and take some decisions.
>
> 3/ allow new members of the OSM community at large to meet some of us, and
> get quickly and easily on board. For example, a leading person for ULB,
> using more and more free software (in the communication, TV and radio world,
> with students), Philippe Delchambre in cc. wrote many times to this list,
> asking for help to start mapping. I haven't been able to work a useful
> cartoparty with Philippe so far, as I had hoped, nor simply to get enough
> time to show him how to begin mapping. I would like to give an oppotunity
> for Philippe to
>
> 3.1/ come and meet us,
> 3.2/ have a good reason to come and meet us, for himself,
> 3.3/ quickly get the basis on how to map for pleasure and interest,
>
> 4/ provide an opportunity for members of the official government data
> providers to easily meet the active OSM community. Eg: I have invited people
> working at Cirb who have developped and provided Urbis to come and attend
> the meeting. The location, ESI, is really effective for that. It is located
> less than 500 m from Cirb main offices.
>
> 5/ involve the school where I teach, ESI, a school where we educate computer
> scientists, more and more with free software tools and methods, and allow
> the colleagues and students to meet the community easily.
>
>> Is this a
>> presentation of OSM to a wider audience ?
>
>
> yes
>
>>
>> If so, why will we discuss
>> the internal organisation to run an OSM website. This is something
>> that has to take place behind closed doors.
>>
> indeed
>
>>
>> I would group all presentations about OSM together time-wise and after
>> that's done, the insiders can stay and discuss stuff
>
>
> this is what I tried to propose as a schedule. Please do not hesitate to
> swap elements to better reach that goal.
>
>>
>> such as
>>
>> * "Do we need a VZW/ASBL to support this? ",
>> * "Discussion around the Open data Wallonia hackathon"
>> * "contacts with administrations or press"
>>
>>
>> We do not need an audience for that, do we ?
>>
> no.
>
> My proposal is that such topics be discussed, as you propose, in a seconde
> phase at ESI and later at the restaurant, which ever is the most convenient.
>
> Is many wants, we could ask for sandwiches / pizzas to be delivered at the
> school where we can access the cafetaria.
>
>> As for the presentations, if no one else (of the more experienced
>> presenters/mappers) volunteers, I can give a presentation/demo on
>> JOSM.
>
>
> please do. I'll let you add your name and your proposal for the details of
> the presentation to the pad page.
>
>>
>> Assuming the audience is not familiar with mapping I thought of
>> the following outline
>>
>> - what is mapping (showing a sketch of a map as we used to do a long time
>> ago)
>> - add a restaurant node in ID
>> - switch to JOSM (I'm much more familiar with it)
>> - Use GPX track + waypoints
>> - Use some presets to show JOSM can be easy as well
>> - some the usage of other data sources, e.g. data of De Lijn (from
>> DB), VMM (from Excel), Monuments from Wikipedia (via small Python
>> script)
>> - simple turn restriction relation (to show it's not all nodes and lines)
>>
> I like very much this list of topics.
>
>>
>> or do you want to focus more on 1 topic e.g. adding house numbers ?
>>
> that woulf be for another time ... or could be the answer to some questions,
> depending on the time it takes.
>
>>
>>
>> as for the nice maps, besides good examples, I also think of different
>> renderings to show the richness of the data
>>
>> - main OSM site with the different styles to get started (of Brussels
>> to show work on Urbis ?)
>
> +1 especially with Urbis as members of the Cirb urbis team will be present.
> I would love that they develop closer relations with the OSM community, and
> that the relation and exchange of data become bidirectionnal ( OSM <=>
> Urbis, and not only Urbis => OSM)
>
>>
>> - OpenLinkMap to show the hyperlinks and opening hours
>
> +1
>>
>> - hike bike map to show the work on walking network
>> - OpenSnowMap
>> - Gesichtskarte (Lier, Mechelen or Antwerpen)
>> - Perhaps some maps from ITO ?
>> - Some examples from Best of the Map (http://bestofosm.org/)
>>
> all are very interesting. As a cyclist, and beginner mapper, I would also
> like, if possible, to know how to help developping OSM cycle map in
> Brussels, for example adding the new yellow signs that allow the cyclist to
> pass a red light either to move forward or to turn right, in such a way that
> this can be later used by automatic routing programs.
>
> I would also like to know how to easily use OSM to get directions in Belgium
> / Brussels. While I rely mostly on OSM for location in Brussels, I still
> rely mostly on Google maps for directions when I need to go to a place that
> I don't know well. I would like nt to have to use Google maps altogether.
>
> I would also like to know how I can easily map with the students of my
> schools, using the paper website. I want my students to be able to map on
> their free time, and get a *very* detailed OSM map of ESI neighborhoods,
> with every shops, restaurants, administrations, house numbers ...
>
> I know some of my goals would take much more time than the  3 to 4 hours
> we'll have, but now you have my ideas.
>
> Much thanks,
>
> Nicolas
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas at pettiaux.be>
>> wrote:
>> > 2013/9/26 Julien Fastré <julien at fastre.info>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> About RTBF / Le Soir, etc.: IMHO I am not sure we should invite them
>> >> there. We will have a lot of discussion about our own internal
>> >> organisation.
>> >> We should plan a future event to invite them, but not necessary this
>> >> time.
>> >
>> > This is indeed what I considered. I fully agree.
>> >
>> > THere will most probably be members of Cirb. We could altogether prepare
>> > a
>> > future public meeting and its communication, and plan activities to show
>> > then a really beautiful and useful map of Belgium, a website that offers
>> > a
>> > lot and where the public can benefit and contribute.
>> >
>> > Nice to see you all,
>> >
>> > Nicolas
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nice to see you !
>> >>
>> >> Julien Fastré
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Le 26/09/13 12:36, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/9/26 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshausen at gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux
>> >>> <nicolas at pettiaux.be>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would propose that we discuss and compose the schedule of the
>> >>>> meeting
>> >>>> on http://lite2.framapad.org/p/OSMBE20131003 and list there who would
>> >>>> come.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please see there the proposed planning and comment / adapt ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would very much like to get in touch with the press (RTBF, Le Soir,
>> >>>> Le
>> >>>> vif, la DH, Tele Bruxelles) and members of the administrations to
>> >>>> advertize
>> >>>> the event and have public come if you agree.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> Nice! If this is public then maybe we could announce on twitter/meetup
>> >>> too?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> yes .Please do . I do not have the time to .
>> >>
>> >> Every advertissement and communication on the (social) networks are
>> >> good
>> >>
>> >>> Not sure If I will be able to make it at 19:00 already, I start
>> >>> working
>> >>> as a freelancer for AGIV (!) next week... :-)
>> >>>
>> >> you'll do your best. This is why we start with a get to know each other
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I updated the framapad with my comments.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> much thanks
>> >>
>> >> Please indicate if you come and want to eat.
>> >>
>> >>
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Thanks a lot for explaining this. It's much clearer now for me. I'll
try to prepare the talk a bit, just so I have a few examples that I
can really map. Hopefully nobody will add the restaurant Shanghai in
Willebroek in the meantime :-)
Depending on the audience I can switch topics or focus more on one or
another, I'll be flexible.

Just in case you want to know a bit more about my JOSM/mapping skills
I've only been mapping for 2.5 years, that's why I think there might
be more experienced people around. I've been mapping walking networks,
busstops, house numbers, roads (with attributes) and since a few
months the protected monuments.
I'm not very familiar with waterways & boundaries. I wrote a JOSM
preset. I've used all the stuff mentioned in the outline above.

Hope this is sufficient to give such a presentation. BTW, my French is terrible.

see you next week !

m