[OSM-talk-be] hoe map ik een bus halte ? :-) / how to map a bus stop ? :-)

[Marc Gemis]

I'll agree that the things mentioned in the picture are often micromapping.
But on the other hand how does an international app knows all this when
there is no OSM+ database that contains all this country specific
information ?

I keep on wondering how useful the routes are for routing without
timetables. An application that wants to give me the opportunity to plan my
travel via public transportation needs this I think. It's of little use to
tell me that I can arrive at my destination on a Sunday with bus X when
that bus only passes there on weekdays.
But of course, this is a totally different problem/discussion.

regards

m


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:

> All bus stops of De Lijn have timetable information, so I don't see why
> we'd map that explicitely. I think the same goes for TEC. Even the stops of
> TEC I can verify in Flanders have timetables.
>
> Sometimes the name is present in big letters on the shelter. I don't see
> why we'd map that either. A €10000 pole with real time information does
> seem interesting to tag, although they don't work more than half the time...
>
> Another tag that might make sense for a shelter is lit=yes. Some shelters,
> at least in Flanders, have solar panels on top and when it gets dark a
> small lamp can turn on when somebody moves around in the shelter. Still,
> even that is much detail with very little benefit, except maybe for those
> who are into statistics. If we'd ever manage to actually map all of those.
>
> Anyway, I'm mostly interested in adding information to stops, so they can
> be identified for use in route relations and to indicate whether there are
> facilities for disabled people, but that is rather detail to be added to
> the highway=platform/public_transport=platform way.
>
> tactile_paving and wheelchair.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2014-08-21 7:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:
>
> Just to make it clear: the picture is not about tagging bus lines, it's
>> about tagging bus stops. You refer to a page on the routes.
>> Furthermore. it was not a question, I just found it a nice summary for
>> what's in the wiki (probably somewhere under the public transport pages).
>> Hence the smiley in the subject :-)
>> There were a couple of tags that I had not heard of before  (strip and
>> the ones related to the time table and other information in the shelter). I
>> doubt this information can be found in the Belgian (part of the) wiki. This
>> does not always follows the evolution of the other communities.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:42 AM, André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  On 2014-08-20 07:40, Marc Gemis wrote :
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/JLZIMMERMANN/status/501356038499868672/photo/1
>>>
>>>
>>> The answers to those questions about our conventions should be found
>>> here, Marc
>>> WikiProject Belgium/Conventions/Bus and tram lines (tagging)
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_and_tram_lines#Tagging>
>>> so that anybody can tag without asking the same questions and getting
>>> the same or different answers over and over again.
>>> I had to made modifications to those few lines for readability.
>>> But there was no answer when I tried to raise a discussion about
>>> missing, essential infos.
>>>
>>> Mainly, how must a route extension (optional detour) be represented
>>> (unclear "(at least) two separate type
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:type>=route
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:type%3Droute> relations")?
>>> Must the detour (e.g. a small loop that some but not all buses follow)
>>> be represented standing alone (A - B - D - E and B - C - D) or must the
>>> whole route be repeated with and without the extension (A - B - D - E and A
>>> - B - C - D - E)
>>> The problem is that let us say 3 extensions potentially make 8 whole
>>> routes.
>>> Also, if the extension is at the end of the line (A - B - D - E [- F]),
>>> is it OK to represent the route only once (A - B - C - D - E - F)?
>>>
>>>   André.
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