[OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

[Marc Gemis]

What about horses ? I know several places where they come on the "Jaagpad",
especially where there is no asphalt. I don't know whether they are legally
allowed to do so.

m

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Glenn Plas <glenn at byte-consult.be> wrote:

> Well, that was covered as well in my full copy/paste
>
>
> access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder
> bicycle=yes
> description=Jaagpad
> highway=track
> mofa=yes
> source=survey
> surface=unpaved
> tracktype=grade2
> traffic_sign=BE:C3,BE:Type-IV
> vehicle=no
> website=http://www.wenz.be/nl/burger/Jaagpaden/
>
> It's a one on one with what I see on that location:
>
> >
> https://plus.google.com/photos/101291905535513785025/albums/6019150774027442577?banner=pwa
>
> It concerns the 'left' side looking at the Zenne.
>
> Still doubts? Let me know, I've thought about this one a lot and we had
> a discussion about this before and this is what I came up with after
> taking in consideration all the input I got back then on this list.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> On 07-12-14 11:44, Sander Deryckere wrote:
> > But vehicle= is more specific than access=. This holds even for tags
> > extended with conditionals (else the bicycles would need a permit).
> >
> > So, since a car is a vehicle, it would have not access at all.
> >
> > 2014-12-07 11:12 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <glenn at byte-consult.be
> > <mailto:glenn at byte-consult.be>>:
> >
> >     No,  "Met vergunning", than the best choice is what I suggested and
> it's
> >     legit OSM tagging:
> >
> >     access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder
> >
> >     It covers it all. Simple, elegant and readable.  Permissive doesn't
> >     cover it.
> >
> >     I haven't seen service=towpath being used on a jaagpad yet, but that
> >     kind of makes sense as in the whole of OSM, this combination has been
> >     used 0 times.  Better not invent new tagging' schemes I believe.
> >
> >     https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/service#values
> >
> >
> >     Glenn
> >
> >
> >     On 07-12-14 11:01, Jakka wrote:
> >     >> highway=service
> >     >> service=towpath
> >     >> access=private
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > jaagpaden tekst vermeld met nadruk "met vergunning"
> >     > acces= permissive
> >     > nederlandse item keuze "Algemene toegang=met vergunning"
> >     > of zou deze service=towpath te niet doen?
> >     >
> >     >> bicycle=yes
> >     >> foot=yes
> >     >> surface=asphatl/earth/
> >     >> maxspeed=30
> >     >
> >     > Marc Gemis schreef op 7/12/2014 om 8:19:
> >     >> This topic pops up from time to time, see e.g.
> >     >>
> >
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2013-July/004376.html
> >     >> . Don't remember the outcome, besides that they are not cycleways
> >     and do
> >     >> not have names in general.
> >     >>
> >     >> If I would start completely afresh I would propose:
> >     >> highway=service
> >     >> service=towpath
> >     >> access=private
> >     >> bicycle=yes
> >     >> foot=yes
> >     >> surface=asphatl/earth/
> >     >> maxspeed=30
> >     >>
> >     >> In some cases the access might be more "open", such as
> destination or
> >     >> even "yes".
> >     >>
> >     >> m
> >     >>
> >     >> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Jakka
> >     >> <vdmfrankvdm at gmail.com <mailto:vdmfrankvdm at gmail.com>
> >     >> <mailto:vdmfrankvdm at gmail.com <mailto:vdmfrankvdm at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>     Hi,
> >     >>
> >     >>     "jachtpaden" near the "Leie" "Schelde" "Albert Kanaal"enz...
> are
> >     >>     tagged as "cycleway" but in serveye there is no sign
> >     >>     http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/__wiki/NL:Cycleway
> >     >>     <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Cycleway>
> >     >>     http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Fietspad
> >     >>     <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fietspad>
> >     >>     And the owner of those ways says:
> >     >>
> http://www.descheepvaart.be/__Rubriek/Recreatie/Jaagpaden.__aspx
> >     >>     <http://www.descheepvaart.be/Rubriek/Recreatie/Jaagpaden.aspx
> >
> >     >>     What would be the correct tag?
> >     >>
> >     >>     Jakka
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
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