[OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

[Glenn Plas]

Ok, thanks.  Some valid points.  But highway=track tag does allow
implicit access I figured.   I can't seem to find it in the wiki what is
allowed for track.

I do read for highway=track what 'can' : "Roads for agricultural or
forestry uses etc, often rough with unpaved/unsealed surfaces, that can
be used only by off-road vehicles (4WD, tractors, ATVs , …)"   *

But that is not way is allowed imho.

Right now, vehicle is coverded though:

access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder
bicycle=yes
highway=track
mofa=yes
vehicle=no
traffic_sign=BE:C3,BE:Type-IV

I would believe that the conditional rule would override any 'vehicle'
class specific one in this case.  But, Re-re-re-reading that overrule
strategy it might be correct in some cases what you state.

Elsewhere on that page I also read: "Restriction-value"

"This is the actual value of the restriction, e.g. yes, private, 80, 55
mph. The restriction can be absolute (yes, no, permissive and other
values that apply to everybody), according to the purpose of the highway
use (destination, delivery, customer, forestry, agricultural etc) or
according to an explicit permission (private, permit_holder)." **

I took that into account, since they talk about OR there.

What we want is : everyone with a permit can access, bicycles,
pedestrian are allowed, vehicles are not due to the C3 sign.  not sure
about horses

I would love to get closure on this.  What do you propose, taking the
permit_holder into account.

@Ben : The legal definition (see website url) of 'Jaagpad' starts with:
"Het jaagpad is een private dienstweg of exploitatieweg" .  That means
it's not a public highway.

Glenn

* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway
**
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions#Evaluation_of_conflicting_restrictions


On 07-12-14 12:20, Sander Deryckere wrote:
> You tags access tags say
> * access:conditional = yes @ permit_holder
> * mofa=yes
> * bicycle = yes
> * vehicle = no
> 
> Since a conditional restriction overrules only a non-conditional
> restriction of the same vehicle class and direction
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions#Evaluation_of_conflicting_restrictions),
> and since your tags don't contain any other info that talks about cars
> or tractors, this means that cars or tractors are never allowed. Even
> not when they have a permit.
> 
> Your tags will be read as following:
> * Pedestrians: no specific tag, so the conditional access tag counts:
> they need a permit
> * Bicycles: a specific tag, saying yes, so they are allowed
> * Cars: a specific tag (vehicle), saying no, so they are never allowed
> 
> I don't think this is quite correct.
> 
> 2014-12-07 11:56 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <glenn at byte-consult.be
> <mailto:glenn at byte-consult.be>>:
> 
>     Well, that was covered as well in my full copy/paste
> 
> 
>     access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder
>     bicycle=yes
>     description=Jaagpad
>     highway=track
>     mofa=yes
>     source=survey
>     surface=unpaved
>     tracktype=grade2
>     traffic_sign=BE:C3,BE:Type-IV
>     vehicle=no
>     website=http://www.wenz.be/nl/burger/Jaagpaden/
> 
>     It's a one on one with what I see on that location:
> 
>     >