[OSM-talk-be] Belgian Specialties / Belgische Specialiteiten

Thu Dec 25 19:20:51 UTC 2014

André,

for the pubs there is already
https://openbeermap.github.io/#17/48.84702/2.37705
much more functionality than a simple umap.

regards

m

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Sander Deryckere <sanderd17 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, to be correct, building=* means the building is of a certain type.
> F.e., building=church means it's a church, it doesn't mean it's still a
> place of worship (i.e. there's still a priest present).
>
> Similarly, building=brewery means that the building looks like a brewery,
> not that somebody is brewing beer there (in the strict sense).
>
> But anyway, querying for that key didn't cause any harm.
> Op 25-dec.-2014 18:37 schreef "André Pirard" <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>:
>
>  On 2014-12-25 09:15, Marc Gemis wrote :
>>
>> Nederlands onderaan.
>>
>>  Recently I made 2 very simple maps with umap.openstreetmap.fr around
>> Belgian specialities: frites and beer.
>>
>>  The first map [1] shows all fritures in Belgium, at least those that
>> are mapped as amenity=fast_food + cuisine=friture
>> There is a good amount of them already in OSM.
>>
>>  The second one [2] shows all breweries in Belgium. I map all the
>> craft=brewery, building=brewery and man_made=works + product=beer.
>> Nevertheless the number is disappointing. Maybe you could remap a brewery
>> near you or let me know which tagging scheme you have used ?
>>
>>  Craft=brewery is used for small (home) breweries, the man_made for
>> industrial breweries.
>>
>>  In case you are interested in setting up a umap & Overpass yourself,
>> detailed instructions are found on the mappa mercia [3] blog.
>>
>>  merry christmas & happy mapping year
>>
>>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> Nice idea. The map might be put on some tourism agencies sites and
>> promote OSM.
>> Please note this project
>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Breweries>
>> .
>>
>> Well, why not also map where we can drink beer as a specialty?
>> In this pub <http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1559490392>, and all
>> Vaudrée pubs <http://vaudree-concept.be/vaudree-angleur/>, they sell
>> several hundreds kinds of beers !!!
>> I'm sure I had investigated special tags to use for those kinds of "pubs"
>> and I really wonder why I don't see any that I put on this one. Did they
>> vanish?
>>
>> I have added some breweries, but there's a problem.
>> We cannot have  building=monastery  and  building=brewery  at the same
>> time, can we?
>> I and a least one other person have explained several times on the wiki
>> that the correct tagging is
>> building=yes  (main, physical object tag, others are attributes)
>> monastery=yes
>> hotel=yes (if there's no better tag for their lodging activity)
>> shop=yes
>> shop:beer=yes
>> shop:cheese=yes
>> etc.
>> That is very clear and obvious instead of a fuzzy mess where we have
>> historical=castle but no castles that are not historical instead of
>> building=yes
>> castle=yes
>> historical=yes/no/<year>
>> hotel=yes  if the castle is fitted as a hotel
>> winery=yes  if the castle is a "château Lafitte"
>>
>> So, what I did is  adding  brewery=yes  to buildings that existed,
>> without any reshuffling.
>> I did not tag for the renderer ;-)
>> Jupiler, Hoegarden, Stella Artois I think, Orval and maybe more to come.
>> It's a pity that the (or some) names of the beers are not tagged.
>> What about the natural
>> brewery:brand=Name1:Name2...
>>
>> Please note French=English:
>> frire = fry  (verb)
>> frites = chips or fries (fr chips = en crisps)
>> friture = fried food (not the shop) anything that's fried, the oil/fat or
>> the action of frying
>> friterie = chip shop (where they are sold, nl frituur I believe)
>> The English don't really have traditional shops centered on chips with
>> side dishes as sausages, rollmop etc. a lot
>> but a tradition is "fish and chip shop" (cod or haddock) which I liked
>> very much,
>> they have modern fast food however but that's not chips centered.
>> friture is not an English word, so, cuisine=friture is in principle
>> incorrect (ça ne me dérange pas qu'ils utilisent le français, mais à
>> condition de ne pas cuisiner le magasin ;-) ).
>>
>>   André.
>>
>>
>>  --- Nederlands
>> Recentelijk heb ik 2 eenvoudige kaarten in elkaar gebokst met
>> umap.openstreetmap.fr rond Belgische specialiteiten: frieten en bier.
>>
>>  De eerste kaart [1] toont alle frituren in België, of toch tenminste
>> dewelke gemapped zijn als amenity=fast_food + cuisine=friture
>> Er zijn behoorlijk wat frituren op deze manier gemapped.
>>
>>  De tweede kaart [2] toont alle brouwerijen. Alles wat met
>> craft=brewery, building=brewery of man_made=works + product=beer is
>> getagged wordt getoond. Het aantal is echter teleurstellend. Misschien
>> kunnen jullie de brouwerijen in de buurt andere tags geven of me laten
>> weten welk tagging schema jullie hebben gebruikt ?
>>
>>  Normaal gezien wordt craft=brewery for ambachtelijke brouwerijen
>> gebruikt, de man_made tagging voor industriële brouwerijen.
>>
>>  Indien je zelf een kaart wil maken met umap & Overpass, gedetailleerde
>> instructies kan je vinden op het mappa mercia [3] blog.
>>
>>  prettige feestdagen & "happy mapping year"
>>
>>  m
>>
>>  [1] http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/friture_24674#8/50.689/4.949
>> [2] http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/breweries_24688#8/50.595/4.449
>> [3]
>> http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2014/09/creating-an-always-up-to-date-map.html
>>
>>
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