[OSM-talk-be] TEC & Open Data: let's start !

[Jo]

It's a lot of data and it's coming from an outside source, so yes it's an
import. No way to get around that by calling it anything different. It's
best to go through the proper channels. That way nobody can say we didn't
at least try to do things the right way.

If we fall flat on our noses, so be it. I had always thought data like this
is (and addresses) is something we want to have in OSM. And visiting each
bus stop (or house) is simply not practical. By the time you did all of
them, you'd have to start over again.

I do agree sometimes imports hurt the community, which is why I'd like to
get the community involved as much as possible.

I also think we're going about this the right way. This is not a data dump.
We are integrating the new data with what's already present in OSM. I often
find myself improving the topology of the roads while adding stops and
shelters and benches and platforms. For Flanders we have now the street
names in a WMS layer, so during validation I'm also adding those for the
roads I touched (adding nodes or splitting).

Unfortunately it's extremely time consuming to do it this way, but it's
still more efficient than visiting 70000 bus stops all across the country
and jotting down their details.

Jo


2014-06-17 21:27 GMT+02:00 André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>:

>  On 2014-06-17 20:15, Jo wrote :
>
>   I created a page to describe the import of TEC data. Can somebody have
> a look at it before I send it to the imports mailing list?
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/PT_TEC_Wallonie_BE_Import
>
>  I have to say I'm a bit pessimistic about getting it approved. I've been
> lurking on the imports list for a while now and it's a bit depressing...
>
>  But we can always try, of course. Even though I realise in advance it
> will get shot down on the silly dedicated import account rule alone.
>
> Ouch!  I didn't expect that difficulty!
>
> But I have a very fundamental remark.
> Are you really doing an import or are you providing us modified data to
> ease our tagging?
> Would using Julien's web page be called an import?
> Is making the process easier more an import?
> Was the Walloon bus line tagging done so far an import?
> Is continuing it more an import?
>
> I never looked a that problem but I think that what they're after is huge
> careless data dumping.
> It's none of that.
>
> So my question is: must we really declare that as an import
> or continue our gentle tagging business on the quiet?
> Why tempting fate?
>
>
>   In the mean time I'm doing test edits, to make sure the data conversion
> went properly. It looks fine, as far as I'm concerned. Some abbreviations
> don't get expanded properly yet (notably ones with a space after LE). I do
> those by hand. Whoever wants to participate in adding these stops must
> realise it not simply a matter of dragging them to their proper location,
> but also the names need to be checked for consistency.
>
> I told you I had thought of picking the names from OSM inside a circle
> around the stop and checking the uppercase for similarity.  There's a Perl
> string similarity computing module.  Did you consider that?
>
>   The zones and the calculated route_refs should be correct by now. The
> village names are mostly properly converted and accents are put back where
> they belong. Notify me if you find errors.
>
>  I'm always prepared to do a Google hangout in French, English or even
> Dutch (for those who'd want to practice) to explain how I set up JOSM to
> make the whole process more efficient. Additional buttons on the task bar
> for presets and searches. dedicated MAPCSS style, which highlights the
> stops and routes you are working on and something which creates display
> names from distinct tags, so the routes get sorted in a better way in the
> relations list.
>
>
> Good luck whatever you do,
>
>   André.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Polyglot
>
>
> 2014-06-17 15:18 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshausen at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>  "Survey" does mean explicitly that there was an actual survey (meaning,
>> going to each and every bus station to check if it is there!):
>>
>>  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Survey#How_to_use
>>
>>  Also make sure to check the import guidelines before importing anything:
>>
>>  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>>
>>   Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
>>
>>
>
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