[OSM-talk-be] TEC & Open Data: let's start !

[Jo]

IN OPENSTREETMAP SURVEY MEANS: go out physically, see something with your
own eyes while standing next to it, add it to the DB.

The dictionary definition is not relevant.

Jo


2014-06-23 11:58 GMT+02:00 André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>:

>  On 2014-06-17 09:21, Marc Gemis wrote :
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:13 PM, André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If you use *source=survey 2014-06  TEC 2014-04* in bus stops as I
>> recommend, you will both comply with the source requirement and be sure to
>> find the indication that they contain your file's data and can be deleted
>> from the remaining-to-be-updated file.
>> If an existing element does not contain *source=survey 2014-06**  TEC
>> 2014-04* or later, it will be kept in the remaining-to-be-updated file.
>> If a mapper further updates the data, he is kindly requested to use a new
>> date such as *source=survey 2014-07* or *source=survey 2014-06-21* .
>>
>>     Sorry, but this is not a survey, this is an import.  IMHO, you can
> only use survey when you go out and check the exact position of the bus
> stop. A survey is not transforming data from one database format into
> another. So please do not use source=survey.
>
> Sorry but it is an import *and* a survey.
>
> *source=TEC 2014-04* relates to the import of the TEC's data*.  **source=TEC
> 2014-04* must be in TEC.osm.zip bus stops so that the mapper copies it to
> OSM. When found in OSM, it means that the bus stop can be removed from the
> file TEC.osm.zip which shows the work that remains to do.  Same process for
> future versions.
>
> * source=survey 2014-xx*  relates to the location, shelter, bench tags
> etc. that the mapper will add at the time of the import or later and it is
> a survey.  It is the last time that this data was verified and it helps
> mappers not to verify what has already been verified.
>
> There should also be a *TEC 2014-04.osm.zip* file containing the original
> TEC data so that the user can compare that data with the data he
> introduces, for example TEC's uppercase name and OSM's lowercase name.
> There will be later files like *TEC 2014-10.osm.zip* at which time a new
> TEC.osm.zip will be created containing the new changes that must be applied.
> The user must also be able to see the lines drawn by TEC in case the bus
> stops do not make the itinerary clear.
> Here is a file of mine:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ty49nmfdb2vfz4m/TEC_2014_04-Lignes.2.osm.bz2
>
> What remains to be done before we can make realistic updates:
>
>    - publish *TEC 2014-04.osm.zip* (= present TEC.osm.zip + following
>    tags)
>     - add *source=TEC 2014-04* to *TEC 2014-04.osm.zip*
>    - add *source=survey 2014-04* to *TEC 2014-04.osm.zip*
>    - add website tag
>     - new TEC.osm.zip = *TEC 2014-04.osm.zip*
>    - new *TEC 2014-04.lines.osm.zip*
>
> Please note that the particular syntax of the tags is moot.
> But, please, make propositions instead of saying what it must not be
> (there are just too many).
>
> I can publish a "how to tag the bus stops" in the wiki page if you like.
>  On 2014-06-17 15:19, Ben Abelshausen wrote :
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the source should a) contain some reference to TEC,
>>
>  Exactly!
>
>
> And (a) is "Exactly! " what *source=TEC 2014-04* was proposing.
>
>
> b) any aerial image you have used (probably Bing).
>
>
> This is something that everybody knows, or should know. "Bing 2004" or so,
> not "Bing".
>
>
>  you can only use survey when you go out
>
>
> On 2014-06-17 15:18, Ben Abelshausen wrote :
>
>  "Survey" does mean explicitly that there was an actual survey (meaning,
> going to each and every bus station to check if it is there!):
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Survey#How_to_use
>
> That article does not define "Survey" explicitly. It says that it is a
> survey.
>
> dictionary.reference.com <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/survey>
>
> to view in detail, especially to inspect, examine, or appraise formally or
> officially in order to ascertain condition, value, etc.
> appraise:  to estimate the nature, quality, importance, etc.:
>
> Nothing in that says that the surveyor must travel.  Any means to
> ascertain the data is acceptable.
>
> Cordialement,
>
>   André.
>
>
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