[OSM-talk-be] TEC: Osmose hits again

Sun Nov 16 01:33:43 UTC 2014

TEC released new data on 8 november of 2014. Why would we still want to
work with stale data from July?

There is no need to include metadata like a release date on all 30000
nodes. When there is a change, my scripts will pick up on it. source is not
needed either, it is included in the changeset.

What is a whellchair=yes and where does this data come from? It was not in
the datasets I converted. I also 'integrated' a stop in the middle of
nowhere and I would be very surprised there was special accomodation like a
higher platform present there to ease boarding with a wheelchair.

All village names from Osmose are ALL CAPS, which looks ugly. I converted
them all and reincluded accents where needed.

I communicated with Frédéric to work together. I would convert and
preprocess the data. He preferred to do it himself, but something like
calculating route_ref is quite hard if you can't load all of the tables
into a database and perform a JOIN query.

And then there is our Belgian situation. Not only Brussels poses problems,
there are also the faciliteitengemeentes around it and Commines - Voeren.
And then there is our decision to drop the city name for the larger cities,
or rather to include them for the smaller ones and the villages.

My scripts cater for all that 'business logic'. If Osmose uses a different
way to convert the data and that is what Frédéric was planning to do, then
there will inevitably always be differences flagged as 'errors'. That is
why I had asked him to not provide the possibility to use Osmose for
integrating TEC stops.

All this is moot now. Initial integration of TEC stops is over. I did it in
a way that was way more efficient than what could have been achieved with
Osmose. I'm in the process of merging the ones I had included using more
than 1 node. This will probably take another week or two. Part of the
conversion is automatic. The actual merging is done manually by (virtually)
visiting many of them all over again one by one.

Jo

2014-11-16 1:27 GMT+01:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:

> I asked Frédéric Rodrigo explicitly in July to exclude TEC stops from his
> Osmose integration tool. He wanted to work directly from the source data
> and not with the data as I would have provided it.
>
> All stops are already in OSM now, so initial integration/import is over.
>
> I sent a mail to the list a few days ago telling everybody I'm converting
> all Belgian stops to a way of tagging which will allow 1 node to be used
> per stop. (Well 2, 1 for the 'platform'/pole and often another for the
> stop_position). I had started to use 1 node per operator, where TEC behaves
> like 6 operators, each assigning refs to the stops.
>
> Leave the route_ref alone, it's useful to me. It became route_ref:De_Lijn
> and route_ref:TECx where x can be BCHLNX. It's something that can be easily
> added/checked while surveying in the field. For the stops of MIVB/STIB I'm
> still using route_ref.
>
> If Frédéric wants to include Osmose tests for bus and tram stops in
> Belgium, ask him to read the following:
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_stops
>
> Jo
>
> 2014-11-16 0:58 GMT+01:00 André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> @Julien: not an interesting info.
>>
>> Apparently all Wallonian TEC bus stops are hit by an Osmose report like
>> the following:
>> Please note that:
>>
>>    - there may apparently be a July update to TEC data
>>     - source=...07-2014"  to introduce (was obstinately refused for the
>>    present data)
>>    - should be 2014-07 ("-" is used for ISO format and "/" otherwise)
>>    - route_ref= to be removed
>>     - spelling mistakes
>>     - "*whellchair*=": extra "w"?
>>
>>  *Wallonia stop not integrated*
>> Wallonia stop of THEUX Place du Centre, RUE CHARLES RITTWEGER, THEUX
>>
>>  + *name* = THEUX Place du Centre
>>  + *bus* = yes
>>  + *source* = tec-wl.be - 07-2014
>>  + *public_transport* = platform
>>  + *whellchair* = yes
>>  + *operator* = TEC
>>  + *ref* = LTHcent
>>  + *highway* = bus_stop
>>  Error reported on: 2014-11-15
>>
>> so-called help:
>>
>>    public transport
>>
>> [image: Osmose-marker-l-8040.png]
>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Osmose-marker-l-8040.png>
>> item=8040 map <http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/map/?item=8040> list
>> <http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/errors?item=8040>
>>   *Detail*
>>
>>    - Class 1 "RATP station not integrated" : subway, Paris, France.
>>    - Class 11 "RATP station not integrated" : RER, Paris, France.
>>    - Class 21 "RATP station not integrated" : tramway, Paris, France.
>>    - Class 41 "TransGironde stop not integrated" : bus of Gironde,
>>    France.
>>    - Class 51 "TBC stop not integrated" : public transport of Great
>>    Bordeaux, France.
>>    - Class 61 "CG71 stop not integrated" :
>>
>>  *Fix*
>>
>> Add new points or merge existing. See also item 8041.
>>
>>    - Class 1 "RATP station not integrated" :
>>    - Class 11 "RATP station not integrated" :
>>    - Class 21 "RATP station not integrated" :
>>    - Class 41 "TransGironde stop not integrated" :
>>    - Class 51 "TBC stop not integrated" :
>>    - Class 61 "CG71 stop not integrated" :
>>
>>  *Trap*
>>
>> Check the location.
>>
>>
>> And, BTW, roving about showed a lot of:
>>
>>  *addr:housenumber without addr:street, addr:district, addr:quarter,
>> addr:suburb or addr:place must be in a associatedStreet relation*
>>  *way 46957295 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/46957295>*
>> rawedit <http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#> josm
>> <http://localhost:8111/load_object?objects=w46957295> edit
>> <http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#>
>> *building* = yes
>> *addr:housenumber* = 126
>>  Error reported on: 2014-11-15
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>   André.
>>
>>
>>
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