[OSM-talk-be] How to map streets with limited parking time?

[Andre Engels]

How would this be breaking database rights? First, a drawn map isn't a
database. Second, to be protected under database rights, there has to
be significant expenditure (of time or other resources) in the
creation of the database (not in the mere collection of the data). And
third, database rights are only broken if a substantial part of the
database is copied. Database rights, just like copyright, do not
protect the facts portrayed. Just the form of their collection.
Anything you can write down in a few minutes will not be a problem
with database rights because  it will never have the second and third
point at the same time.

Yes, it is better to be safe than sorry, but one should not go into
ridiculousness for that. Otherwise, we first have to remove all houses
and addresses from the database first, because we might get sued for
publishing personal data. It is far-fetched that we ever will, but not
as far-fetched as the situation you sketch.

André Engels



On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Sander Deryckere <sanderd17 at gmail.com> wrote:
> We're not talking about copyright, but database right. Someone put effort in
> gathering the data, even if it's a small effort, this still counts.
>
> In European law, this work is protected by the database rights. Certainly
> when it's not the only way to gather the information. In this case, it's
> possible to gather the information via a survey. So the map is completely
> protected.
>
> Next to the strict laws, osmf doesn't have money to get into big lawsuits,
> so it's better to be safe than sorry, and not use possibly illegal sources.
>
> Also, when illegally added data has to be taken down, it also infects a lot
> of legal data added on top of it, like you might remember from the license
> change.
>
> Thus, as a resume, only use a source when you have an explicit, written
> approval.
>
> Op 1-feb.-2015 00:12 schreef "Andre Engels" <andreengels at gmail.com>:
>
>> Nothing illegal about getting *information* from a map. Information
>> cannot be copyrighted, only the way in which the information is
>> presented.
>>
>> André Engels
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Sander Deryckere <sanderd17 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane
>> >
>> > More precisely parking:condition:both:maxstay=...
>> >
>> > However, it's most likely illegal to use the map you show. It's better
>> > to
>> > survey those things.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Sander
>> >
>> > Op 31-jan.-2015 21:38 schreef "hvdb" <henke54 at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, how can one map a street or zone with 'time limits' ?
>> >> Here is a map from my village with several kind of 'parking time
>> >> limits'
>> >> on streets :
>> >> http://www.heist-op-den-berg.be/544668.img
>> >>
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