[OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?

Sun Feb 22 22:13:13 UTC 2015

Maillen and Assesse  are not the only bug.

We found other ones (event bigger).

e.g. try to find Rue Jean-Baptiste Monoyer in 7110 Strépy-Braquegnies. You will not find it.

To locate it you have to search on … Rue JB Monoyer, in 7100 La Louvière.

I thought it was due to postal code, but sometimes streets are associated to wrong postal code!

Bien à vous,

Alain  Bourgeois

+32 496 51 85 75

 <http://www.kineuro.com/> http://www.kineuro.com

From: Erik Beerten [mailto:ebe050 at gmail.com] 
Sent: jeudi 25 décembre 2014 19:25
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?

The problem with the missing municipalities also exists in OSMAND where some as Kortessem and Wellen are not listed although they are in OSM.

A solution for tagging boundaries can be checking for natural boundaries = rivers, in different sources first.  In Flanders those rivers as natural boundaries are mostly good visible on  the AGIV air imagery.  
But what about a similar usable tool for Wallonie. I didn't hear more about how to use a similar source as AGIV for Wallonie in JOSM (?).

Regards,

Erik 

Op 23-12-14 om 18:14 schreef Marc Gemis:

As you could see from the link in my previous post, Mallien is mapped as a node. 

Ligfietser wrote:

"The OFM map looks at the administrative boundaries on OSM to assign the streets to a place:

 <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Boundaries#Namur> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … ries#Namur
First it looks in level 8 (municipality of Assese) and if available, it looks deeper at a section (sub municipality) admin_level=9. I dont know if this is the case in Maillen.
If there exists such a section of level 9, it must be entered in OSM. If there is no section, streets could be tagged with  <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in> is_in
If those sections are not specified, the map cannot find a street in Maillen so you must either enter Assesse or try another OSM map (no guarantee it work either) or a commercial map." 

So in order to make OFM work, we need the boundaries for Mallien as a relation. We do not have them in OSM at this moment.

Those borders are hard to get. I don't know the situation for this in Wallonia. In Flanders we have a lot of admin-level 9 boundaries (deelgemeenten), but even there the list is not complete. Maybe Julien Fastré or André know more about this.

In general, we have to base ourselves on out-of-date maps for the borders. We are not allowed to copy them from Google or other institutions that ask a lot of money for that data. Sometimes governments open up a datasource with those boundaries. This is not the case in Belgium. 

Furthermore most recent databases from the government do not care about those "deelgemeenten", which makes it even harder to get access to a source to use.

regards

m

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Alain Bourgeois <alain.bourgeois at skynet.be <mailto:alain.bourgeois at skynet.be> > wrote:

I tried the Benelux map downloaded 6 months ago – same problem.

I reported the trouble on the forum (http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=473300#p473300) and they sent me to Belgian team.

Bien à vous,

Alain  Bourgeois

+32 496 51 85 75 <tel:%2B32%20496%2051%2085%2075> 

 <http://www.kineuro.com/> http://www.kineuro.com

From: Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.gemis at gmail.com <mailto:marc.gemis at gmail.com> ] 
Sent: mardi 23 décembre 2014 17:37
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] city names - bug in OFM?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alain Bourgeois < <mailto:alain.bourgeois at skynet.be> alain.bourgeois at skynet.be> wrote:

Maillen

The good news is that the village is in the OSM-data [1].

The bad news is that we now have to find out why it does not appear in the map you have downloaded.

Did you try the the Benelux Full version [2] ? I assume it is more detailed.

Otherwise you can always contact the maker of the map via  <mailto:info at openfietsmap.nl> info at openfietsmap.nl He can explain which information from OSM is available in the different versions of his map.

regards

m

[1]  <http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701&layers=N> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/31566150#map=13/50.3777/4.9701&layers=N

[2]  <http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full> http://www.openfietsmap.nl/downloads/bnl_full

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