[OSM-talk-be] UrbIS import

Mon Jan 12 16:58:29 UTC 2015

When I initially prepared the UrbIS data for OSM, I arbitrarily chose FR -
NL for all the addr:street names.

Not totally arbitrary, as that is how you'll find most of them on the name
tags in the street:

Boulevard Lemonnier - Lemonnierlaan:

Boulevard
        Lemonnier
                       laan

Which always results in 'spelling' errors in Dutch, but that's not
important for this discussion

Jo

2015-01-12 17:45 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere <sanderd17 at gmail.com>:

> I don't know if you've noticed it, but there are a lot of streets where
> the addr:street tags don't match the street name (most of them are because
> of the order of language differs, some are also plain spelling differences).
>
> See this view:
> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresses&lon=4.35180&lat=50.84700&zoom=15
>
> I know there's a rule of "the first mapper decides the name", though I
> think that one feature should get one name only. When someone named a piece
> of road as "French-Dutch", the one who maps the next piece of road with the
> same name shouldn't use "Dutch-French" IMO. And addr:street should have the
> same order.
>
> However, searching the oldest used variant of a name might be a tough job,
> and uniforming addr:street depends on a uniform name for a street. So I
> don't know if anyone is up for it.
>
> Most apps don't care for bilingual regions (there aren't many in the
> world), and searching an address in f.e. OsmAnd becomes a real PITA: OsmAnd
> allows partial string search, so if I search for the Dutch name, I would
> get the result, no matter if it's tagged "French-Dutch" or "Dutch-French".
> But because of the many streets which are mapped in both ways, I get two
> results for every street. And only one of the results contains the address
> I'm looking for. So it's a lucky guess to see which one I should take.
>
> And OsmAnd isn't the only one. Nominatim just resorts to "the closest
> street" when the names don't match. So it adds some addresses (mostly
> corner addresses) to the completely wrong street. Though Nominatim is
> prepared to a certain degree of language differences, it's not prepared to
> different names for the same street.
>
> Since we don't just gather data to gather data, but we gather data to be
> useful, I guess people of Brussels should get around the table to discuss
> whether they want to continue this proliferation of names, or if they want
> to make naming stricter (one feature = one name), which makes it easier for
> data users, but also restricts mappers more.
>
> An option to name stuff as "Rue de xxx straat" might again be possible
> since most (if not all) streets have a name:fr and name:nl tag that can be
> used for localised rendering and searching.
>
>
>
> 2015-01-12 16:43 GMT+01:00 eMerzh <merzhin at gmail.com>:
>
>> Thanks Guys :)
>>
>> Sorry for the delay....
>> it has been a long time since the last stats...
>> and if i recall correctly, there where a lot of manual steps ...
>> (especially for tiles)
>>
>>
>> i used to use postgis with qgis ...
>> if i could have a server with ssh and a postgis i might be able to
>> process the stats ...
>>
>> @Jo: i''ll try to collect the scripts that i used... and to make some
>> pseudo doc ...
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Glenn Plas <glenn at byte-consult.be> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you need ?  I have some room left over on some machines. It will
>>> be linux (of course).  I'm thinking to provide some stats on the
>>> housenumber integration of crab.  I might as well do Urbis as well.
>>>
>>> Let me know what you would like and if it's possible I will provide it.
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08-01-15 17:58, eMerzh wrote:
>>> > The tiles are from 15-Feb-2014  and the spreadsheet,the last column is
>>> > the earliest and it's the same date, 15/02 (/2014)
>>> >
>>> > as said earlier, i have no enough cpu/mem/disk power to continue
>>> maintaining those stats...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Pierre Parmentier
>>> > <pierrecparmentier at gmail.com <mailto:pierrecparmentier at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     How to update the outdated data?
>>> >
>>> >      1.
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aitf6GpM7KbYdGpvcWtNbVRoMU41VnowZU1nMXdGZEE&output=html
>>> >      2. http://osm.bmaron.net/urbis_img/tiles/
>>> >
>>> >     Pierre P.
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