[OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier (Jo)
Philippe Casteleyn
philippecasteleyn at hotmail.com
Sun Jun 28 11:43:00 UTC 2015
De weerslag van het fotograferen in Brussel is gekomen : ik heb een collega op kantoor die een schijnaanval uitvoerde een bloedlip bezorgd.
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> 1. Re: Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier (Jo)
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> 3. Re: Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier (Matthieu Gaillet)
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> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:07:19 +0200
> From: Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>
> To: Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas at pettiaux.be>
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> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier
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> I think Matthieu already did the parts that apply to the streets themselves.
>
> Adding the POIs should be a continuous effort. It's really hard to that
> properly in a hurry.
>
> Philippe's efforts to Mapillary the streets of Brussels can be a lot help
> for it and the Mapillary plugin for JOSM is already functional enough for
> it as well.
>
> Philippe managed to cover a lot of ground, really impressive! My style of
> making pictures is a bit different. I tend to stop and make close ups of
> opening hours and other details I consider interesting enough to map
> afterwards. But walking through the streets pointing a cell phone as a
> camera already makes one receive a lot of strange looks when you simply go
> forward and the way I do it, it's impossible to advance properly.
>
> Also doing it that way does not produce a smooth viewing experience when
> flicking through the picture sequences.
>
> Anyway, compromises are always hard.
>
> Maybe you can organise another mapping party? And this time we actually go
> out into the streets. I'm not sure how to go about the surveying + data
> entry in just a few hours. Maybe it would be better to organise a series of
> mapping parties with 2 weeks inbetween each one. The first for surveying,
> the next for entering the data or help out if they tried themselves and
> encountered problems along the way.
>
> Then another one surveying, this time around they know already what they
> want to pay attention to.
>
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2015-06-28 12:41 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas at pettiaux.be>:
>
> > Much thanks for the idea and the work.
> >
> > How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?
> >
> > Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?
> >
> > What remains to be done ?
> >
> > How could I help ?
> >
> > Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every
> > bar and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write
> > down some important information about such places : their names,
> > specialities, opening times, website, telephone number, accessibility info,
> > kind of food served or of beer served ... ?
> >
> > Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready
> > for the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. So
> > it should also work for routting.
> >
> > I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 and I would
> > like some help for the content (to be sure to write something that is true)
> > and the translation to English and Flemisch
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> > --
> > Nicolas Pettiaux, phd - nicolas at pettiaux.be
> > Open at work - Une société libre utilise des outils libres
> >
> > «Apprendre aux élèves à utiliser les produits privateurs de Microsoft,
> > Google ou Oracle, c'est comme leur apprendre à fumer. C'est leur donner une
> > habitude coûteuse, dangereuse et dont ils se déferont difficilement.»
> > Richard Stallman
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> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:11:56 +0200
> From: Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier
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> I already amended the itineraries of De Lijn. I'm still waiting for
> permission of STIB/MIVB to use their data. In the mean time I occasionally
> fix/upgrade their routes, but it's a lot harder to do without data from
> upstream, so it's not a priority for me. OTOH, this might be a good
> occasion to tackle them. Matthieu just holler if you'd like me to get you
> up to speed. I have quite a few tricks up my sleeve to make the job easier
> to accomplish. (map styles, scripts, filter rules, where the tram rails are
> (from Urbis), etc.)
>
> Jo
>
> 2015-06-28 13:05 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Gaillet <mgwebmail at fastmail.fm>:
>
> >
> > Thanks Nicolas.
> >
> > It’s done at 95% from the cars and pedestrian point of view but would need
> > many improvements regarding the public transport and bicycles for their
> > respective infrastructures an itineraries which were extensively modified
> > and require much more (more difficult) work. I prefer to wait for the
> > actual realisation of the pedestrian zone to go on site surveying because
> > lot of details are missing or unclear on the website.
> >
> > I’ll review the press release and amend it if I feel so. Thanks for doing
> > it !!
> >
> > Matthieu
> >
> >
> > 28 Jun 2015, at 12:41, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas at pettiaux.be> wrote:
> > >
> > > Much thanks for the idea and the work.
> > >
> > > How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?
> > >
> > > Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?
> > >
> > > What remains to be done ?
> > >
> > > How could I help ?
> > >
> > > Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every
> > bar and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write
> > down some important information about such places : their names,
> > specialities, opening times, website, telephone number, accessibility info,
> > kind of food served or of beer served ... ?
> > >
> > > Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready
> > for the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. So
> > it should also work for routting.
> > >
> > > I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 and I would
> > like some help for the content (to be sure to write something that is true)
> > and the translation to English and Flemisch
> > >
> > > Nicolas
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nicolas Pettiaux, phd - nicolas at pettiaux.be
> > > Open at work - Une société libre utilise des outils libres
> > >
> > > «Apprendre aux élèves à utiliser les produits privateurs de Microsoft,
> > Google ou Oracle, c'est comme leur apprendre à fumer. C'est leur donner une
> > habitude coûteuse, dangereuse et dont ils se déferont difficilement.»
> > Richard Stallman
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> From: Matthieu Gaillet <mgwebmail at fastmail.fm>
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> Of course I’m ! :-)
>
> I’ll get back to you later. Regarding the stib data I think that as Nicolas said the fact that they were using Mapbox with an OSM layer is an invitation to map. But maybe I’ve a slightly too liberal interpretation of the Openness of data :-)
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> Matthieu
>
> > On 28 Jun 2015, at 13:11, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I already amended the itineraries of De Lijn. I'm still waiting for permission of STIB/MIVB to use their data. In the mean time I occasionally fix/upgrade their routes, but it's a lot harder to do without data from upstream, so it's not a priority for me. OTOH, this might be a good occasion to tackle them. Matthieu just holler if you'd like me to get you up to speed. I have quite a few tricks up my sleeve to make the job easier to accomplish. (map styles, scripts, filter rules, where the tram rails are (from Urbis), etc.)
> >
> > Jo
> >
> > 2015-06-28 13:05 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Gaillet <mgwebmail at fastmail.fm <mailto:mgwebmail at fastmail.fm>>:
> >
> > Thanks Nicolas.
> >
> > It’s done at 95% from the cars and pedestrian point of view but would need many improvements regarding the public transport and bicycles for their respective infrastructures an itineraries which were extensively modified and require much more (more difficult) work. I prefer to wait for the actual realisation of the pedestrian zone to go on site surveying because lot of details are missing or unclear on the website.
> >
> > I’ll review the press release and amend it if I feel so. Thanks for doing it !!
> >
> > Matthieu
> >
> >
> > 28 Jun 2015, at 12:41, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas at pettiaux.be <mailto:nicolas at pettiaux.be>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Much thanks for the idea and the work.
> > >
> > > How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?
> > >
> > > Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?
> > >
> > > What remains to be done ?
> > >
> > > How could I help ?
> > >
> > > Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every bar and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write down some important information about such places : their names, specialities, opening times, website, telephone number, accessibility info, kind of food served or of beer served ... ?
> > >
> > > Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready for the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. So it should also work for routting.
> > >
> > > I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 <https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628> and I would like some help for the content (to be sure to write something that is true) and the translation to English and Flemisch
> > >
> > > Nicolas
> > >
> > > --
> > > Nicolas Pettiaux, phd - nicolas at pettiaux.be <mailto:nicolas at pettiaux.be>
> > > Open at work - Une société libre utilise des outils libres
> > >
> > > «Apprendre aux élèves à utiliser les produits privateurs de Microsoft, Google ou Oracle, c'est comme leur apprendre à fumer. C'est leur donner une habitude coûteuse, dangereuse et dont ils se déferont difficilement.» Richard Stallman
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