[OSM-talk-be] cadastre 1875 (was: city names - bug in OFM?)

[André Pirard]

On 2015-02-25 14:49, Sander Deryckere wrote :
> Some of them are digitised, some aren't.
>
> You can go to
> http://www.kbr.be/collections/cart_plan/collections/collections_nl.html then
> under "Kadastrale plannen", click on one of the provinces (For Luik,
> click on a different, random province, for Luxembourg, there are no
> maps sadly).
>
> This opens the search website which gives you no results (but at least
> brings you to the right page). On that page, go to "Cartes et plans =
> Kaarten en plannen", and this time, click on the correct province.
> Then you see a list of municipalities (from the 19th century, with old
> spelling), sorted by arrondissement.
>
> Then you can open the scan reader by clicking on the image (not the
> title). You'll see that the map gets a copyright mark, this means that
> the map as image is protected. However, the data you can deduce from
> the map isn't altered since the creation of it (it isn't rectified nor
> georeferenced), so it's usable for OSM.
>
> As there's no export option, the easiest way to use it is to zoom in
> to certain parts, and make screenshots. I normally made 4 screenshots
> for a normal village, with a bit of overlap. However, the maps may be
> so skewed that you need to adapt the reference points depending on the
> part of boundary you're drawing.
If what you explain is what I saw, you can right-click-save the image
but that's poor quality, see below.
>
> Note that not all villages are present. Sometimes you're lucky that
> all surrounding villages of a certain village are present, then you
> also have the boundaries. Other times, it might take guesswork, or
> using even worse (older) maps.
>
> Regards,
> Sander
Hi,

In short, click in the frame and on the links.
En bref, cliquer dans le cadre et sur les liens.
Kortom, klikt u in het frame en op de links.
Kurz gesagt, klicken Sie in den Rahmen und auf die Links.
Короче говоря, нажмите в кадре и по ссылкам.

I discovered another way to get cadastre 1875.
It seems very complete and good quality.
Let's explain by an example.

Open this link
<http://opteron1.kbr.be/cgi-bin/opac.cgi?P0=FKBR&P1=1_JAN&P9=&P5=20&P4=&P2=5&P3=R_KI&P6=1530691>.
(from this link
<http://opteron1.kbr.be/cgi-bin/opac.cgi?P0=FKBR&P1=1_JAN&P9=&P5=20&P4=&P2=4&P3=R_BBH&P6=65_1530691>).
Open some arrondissement and canton:
0118- : Province de Liège : arrondissement de Verviers : canton de Spa /
P.C. Popp
<http://opteron1.kbr.be/cgi-bin/opac.cgi?P0=FKBR&P1=1_JAN&P9=&P5=20&P4=&P2=6&P3=R_BBH&P6=80_1711111>
Open the list of municipalities:  11 composante(s)
<http://opteron1.kbr.be/cgi-bin/opac.cgi?P0=FKBR&P1=1_JAN&P9=&P5=20&P4=&P2=7&P3=R_KI&P6=1711111>
Open one: 0010- : Plan parcellaire de la commune de Theux : avec les
mutations / publié avec l'autorisation du gouvernement sous les auspices
de Monsi ...
<http://opteron1.kbr.be/cgi-bin/opac.cgi?P0=FKBR&P1=1_JAN&P9=&P5=20&P4=&P2=8&P3=R_BBH&P6=80_1780485>

Open the map: http://uurl.kbr.be/1041043


You see 4 parts: Upper/Lower-Left/Right.
You can see the tiles in the following directories:
Upper-Left
http://viewerd.kbr.be/display/A/1/7/8/0/4/8/5/zoomtiles/BE-KBR00_A_1780485_0000_00_00_0001/

Upper-Right 
http://viewerd.kbr.be/display/A/1/7/8/0/4/8/5/zoomtiles/BE-KBR00_A_1780485_0000_00_00_0002/

Lower-Left
http://viewerd.kbr.be/display/A/1/7/8/0/4/8/5/zoomtiles/BE-KBR00_A_1780485_0000_00_00_0003/

Lower-Right
http://viewerd.kbr.be/display/A/1/7/8/0/4/8/5/zoomtiles/BE-KBR00_A_1780485_0000_00_00_0004/



Below the tree, you can find
http://viewerd.kbr.be/display/A/1/7/8/0/4/8/5/BE-KBR00_A-1780485_0000-00-00_0002.pdf
containing data about the parcels: owners, landuse=*, etc..., all very
valuable for OSM-1875.

The tiles are named z-x-y.jpg.  There are 5 zoom levels (z=0-4).
They can be assembled into a single image with a single, simple command
such as:
montage
http://viewerd.kbr.be/display/A/1/7/8/0/4/8/5/zoomtiles/BE-KBR00_A_1780485_0000_00_00_0001/3-{0..9}-{0..7}.jpg
-tile 1x8 -geometry +0+0 miff:- | montage - -geometry +0+0 -tile 10x1
Theux-3.jpg
To be used within the limits of the copyright (certainly not printing,
which is otherwise anti-ecological).
Zoom 4 is huge, 3 is manageable.

Enjoy,

André.


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