[OSM-talk-be] Multilingual names

[Glenn Plas]

Hi Marc,

gplv2 that will be me :)

On 07-04-17 11:28, Marc Gemis wrote:
> I just stumbled upon the wiki page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names#Brussels
> I was surprised to read e.g. "Note that the "first mapper rule" is
> deprecated now." and "In OSM, we have a consensus to use a fixed
> order" (both changes made by Gplv2 on Oct 19, 2016)

Yup, the first mapper rule is even more silly and you end up with a
mixed dataset you can't even automatically perform Q/A checks on, there
was already a defacto standard going on in BXL, I just changed the wiki
to reflect that change, 99% of the data was 'fr - nl'.

> 
> Not that I care about the order of French and Dutch on those
> streetnames, but it would be nice to inform the community about such
> an important change via the mailing list, not ? If this is indeed the
> consensus I would have violated it since I did not know deprecation of
> the first mapper rule.

There was no change really, only an update to the wiki to reflect
reality, if you check the data, it's almost entirely entered in this
way.  Not many new streets pop up these days, so it has little impact.

> 
> I asked Gplv2 to point me to the discussion leading to the consensus.

I've must have missed your question on that, can you let me know
how/where you asked ?  always ready to answer you.

> 
> So I have no problems with this being the consensus, I do have a
> problem that such an important change is made without informing the
> mailing list.

Again, I don't aggree on this being a BIG change, in fact, I guestimate
that at the time, about 96% of BXL was in this format, so it might not
have been a true consensus we talked about in depth, the data told me
that this was a defacto consensus so I changed the wiki to reflect
reality.  I did this to guide OSM newbees

Take a look here, I made a tool to analyse this :
https://github.com/gplv2/urbis-validate

The only problem with it is that it doesn't support capitals with
accents (a change I need to make soon).

Glenn