[OSM-talk-be] Update Slow Roads conventions Belgium

[Steven Clays]

You could combine 'vicinal_type' with 'vicinal_ref', but then again, in one
municipality everthing is on the signs as Baan, in the other it is Buurtweg
and in yet another it is even Chemin (even in Flanders). Good luck with
that...

Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 15:38 schreef Steven Clays <steven.clays at gmail.com>:

> To make it even more complex: in Halle, I have seen signs with A12 on
> 'atlas roads' (instead of Buurtweg nr. 12) and F12 ('feitelijke weg nr. 12'
> - factual way).
>
> Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 15:33 schreef Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:
>
>> Sometimes references contain language specific information. Some
>> substations have CAB 12 as reference. I assume CAB refers somehow to
>> Cabine, which would not have been there if we would live e.g. in
>> Russia.
>> The same with the 'E' / 'A' / 'N' used to indicate road nummers.
>>
>> We never put the name of the street in name:nl for other roads, why
>> would we do that for vicinal roads ?
>>
>> Another example that I want to map is:
>> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2018/2018-09-22-Londerzeel/i-SndFGmx/A
>>
>> As a simple surveyor that does not want to look at ancient road
>> atlasses I thought of mapping this just as
>>
>> name=Pluimennest
>> alt_name=Merchtemscheweg
>> vicinal_ref=Voetweg 25
>>
>> If there is another simple method to map "Voetweg" and "25" we could
>> use that as well. But I assume that the signs sometimes do not
>> correspond to what the "Atlas" has.
>>
>> Note that Voetweg/Buurtweg is not always written as such. In Rumst
>> they use VW and BW followed by the number. This is much closer to the
>> usage of e.g. A12 (which we also do not write as Autoweg 12, nor as 12
>> with and extra designation or road type tag).
>>
>> m.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 3:20 PM Karel Adams <fa348739 at skynet.be> wrote:
>> >
>> > But - for as little as I am acquainted with this specific matter - I
>> should think language-related terms should never occur in a reference? I
>> would expect and indeed welcome them in a name tag, probably
>> language-specific like name:nl
>> >
>> > KA
>> >
>> > On 15/12/2018 14:13, Steven Clays wrote:
>> >
>> > Indeed, that's why. Actually, it is a good way to deal with the
>> sometimes blurry denominations on the signposts.
>> >
>> > Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 14:59 schreef Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> I suggested that, as I think it is an part of the ref. We do map "E19"
>> >> as well, not just 19.
>> >> I want to be able te reconstruct the sign as I see it during a survey.
>> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ben Laenen <benlaenen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > One question I have: why are the words "chemin", "sentier",
>> "voetweg" etc. part of the vicinal_ref tag? Better just leave the number in
>> there, the type of road is in the vicinal_type tag.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ben
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2018, 12:33 Steven Clays <steven.clays at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hello,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I made a slight overhaul of the slow roads Belgium page, based on
>> the discussion of Friday December 14th. A new tagging scheme is also
>> proposed, seperating vicinal_ref and oficial_vicinal_ref. Links are
>> restored and some pictures added. Comments and improvements welcome.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads&wteswitched=1#Trage_wegen_Inventory
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