[OSM-talk-be] 17/02: Towards Equal Street Names with Open Data

[Midgard]

I'd strongly suggest including an easy default path for when people aren't sure.
If you use a completion metric, choosing "not sure" should imo also increase the completion
percentage, so that people are less psychologically pushed to add such data.

Additionally, if someone chose "not sure" and a second person chooses "not sure", I would avoid
showing it to any more people.

Why?

Adding name:etymology:wikidata is not that trivial. It requires some dedication. In the examples
below, I'm afraid that people who are given just the goal of completing gender will be inclined to
just pick one. That's harmful to the data quality.

Some examples from my experience Wikidatafying Blankenberge:
    There's just a surname:
        - Mametstraat: David, Zosia, Raymond, Clara, Magda, Julien...

    or an initial letter and surname:
        - J. De Meyerstraat: lots of people match that

    or the street has first and last name, but there are multiple people called like that:
        - Maurits Sabbepad: a writer, but also a theologian

    or you can't find any information:
        - Frans Feverystraat: The top search results for "Frans Fevery" are about the street. :p
                              You could create a Wikidata item for them, see the last paragraph.

    I was planning to bother my municipality to make them help me disambiguating those, based on
    the records of the street name decision process.

Some other challenges:
    Different spellings (should be added to "also known as" in Wikidata when found):
        - Albert Ruzettelaan: in Wikidata as "Albéric Ruzette"
    This could result in duplicate entries.

    Often you have to take into account the context:
        - Albertstraat and Elisabethstraat running in parallel: Albert I and his wife
        - lots of surnames of painters in same neighbourhood

    Streets named after non-persons. If you use completion metric, how will you deal with them? In
    Blankenberge, I have been adding the thing they're named after.
        - Vissersstraat: fisher

    But sometimes, it's just not clear what they're named after:
        - Duindistellaan: I can't find any indication that this is a real plant. Just a thistle
          that happens to grow in the dunes?
        - Colombus (not Columbus)

If it's clear a person has no item yet, one should be created. It's nice if some research is done:
what made them famous enough to get a street name? Sometimes you find something, sometimes you
don't. In the latter case you can create a rather uninformative item with just "instance of: human"
and "sex or gender". But when there's information available on the web, imo it would be a shame not
to add it.

Kind regards,
Midgard

Quoting Santens Seppe (2020-02-04 12:52:57)
> True, but of course a nice thing to do.
> 
> Van: Pieter Vander Vennet [mailto:pietervdvn at posteo.net]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 4 februari 2020 12:23
> Aan: WinFixIT at gmail.com; OpenStreetMap Belgium
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] 17/02: Towards Equal Street Names with Open Data
> 
> Hey Jo,
> 
> Afaik there is no need to create an wikidata for the street.
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Pieter Vander Vennet
> On February 4, 2020 12:06:46 PM GMT+01:00, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I did this for one street in Evere: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/523050554/history
> 
> Took me more than half an hour for a single street (no automation). I created a wikidata entry both for the person and for the street itself. Things are complicated by the bilingual nature of the city and because this street also had an old name.
> 
> Is that what we will be doing? Or did I somehow misunderstand?
> 
> Polyglot
> 
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:34 PM Santens Seppe <Seppe.Santens at stad.gent> wrote:
> Hi community,
> 
> Open Knowledge Belgium, OpenStreetMap Belgium and Wikimedia Belgium want to map all the streetnames by gender in Brussels, as a first step to change the imbalance in reality. We need your help on 17/02 to get the OSM data linked to wikidata.
> Register here to join the mapping effort: https://eventbrite.co.uk/e/towards-equal-street-names-with-open-data-registration-92536026747. And let us know if you can help with the framework.
> 
> 
> more info: https://be.okfn.org/2020/02/03/towards-equal-street-names-with-open-data/
> 
> Please spread the word!
> -Twitter: https://twitter.com/OpenKnowledgeBE/status/1224291464496193538
> -Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/2852981998057886/
> -Eventbrite: http://equalstreetnamesbrussels.eventbrite.co.uk/
> 
> 
> Seppe