[OSM-talk-be] Request to change the cycle highway network tag

[s8evq]

 I think the arguments of Minh Nguyễn are valid.  It wouldn't be a big deal to change cycle_network=cycle_highway to cycle_network=BE:cycle_highway for example (or to cycle_network=BE:fietssnelweg). I would additionally also add cycle_highway=yes. 

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 20:53:06 +0200, Pieter Vander Vennet <pietervdvn at posteo.net> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> Minh NGuyen had the following remark on the wiki
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:cycle_network%3Dcycle_highway>
> about the current tagging scheme of the cycle highways.
> 
> Anyone any thought on it?
> 
> 
>     Incompatible with cycle_network
> 
> This tag is incompatible with the predominant usage of cycle_network
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycle_network>=*. This key was
> originally intended to identify a specific network with uniform
> signage – a renderer was supposed to be able to choose a shield based on
> a combination of cycle_network
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycle_network>=* and ref
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref>=*. But it appears that
> cycle highways are signposted and numbered differently in each country,
> so there's no such cycle network as "cycle highway":
> 
>   *
>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:F7_teller_-_Gent_-_Kortrijk_-_ter_hoogte_van_station_Deinze.jpg>
> 
>     Belgium
> 
>   *
>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:2019Radschnellweg.jpg>
> 
>     Germany
> 
>   *
>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fietssnelweg_F35_at_Go_Planet.jpg>
> 
>     Netherlands
> 
> A renderer would have to perform a spatial query to reliably display the
> correct shield for each of these routes, somewhat undermining the push
> to have renderers use route relations instead of ref
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref>=* tags on ways.
> 
> We already made this mistake once by repurposing the network
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:network>=lcn/rcn/ncn tags for
> routes outside the United Kingdom, leading to the otherwise redundant
> key cycle_network
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycle_network>=* as a
> workaround. Let's avoid making this mistake again by deprecating
> cycle_network
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycle_network>=cycle_highway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycle_network%3Dcycle_highway>
> in favor of country-prefixed values like cycle_network
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycle_network>=NL:cycle_highway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:cycle_network%3DNL:cycle_highway&action=edit&redlink=1>,
> or by choosing a different key altogether like cycle_highway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:cycle_highway&action=edit&redlink=1>=yes.
> 
> 
> – Minh Nguyễn <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Minh_Nguyen> ^💬
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Minh_Nguyen> 00:51, 5
> October 2020 (UTC)
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Pieter Vander Vennet
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