[OSM-talk-be] regional cycle routes in Brussels

[Jo]

Hi Joost,

In Flanders it depended more on topology than anything else. We used:

lcn: for loops
rcn: for the numbered node networks, this logic was taken to rwn and rhn
later on
ncn: for long routes going from A to B (LFx) and then later for the Fxxx
cycle highways
icn: for European routes going from A to B

In Brussels rcn doesn't seem to be used and those routes are topologically
more similar to the numbered routes system used in Flanders and Wallonia.

I agree with you that it makes more sense to tag them as rcn.

Jo

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:14 AM joost schouppe <joost.schouppe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was always a little confused that the regional cycle network is mapped
> as lcn in Brussels. Since this network is organized by Brussels-the-region,
> not Brussels-the-city, it seems logical that it should have the rcn tag. In
> fact, more so than the Flemish cycle node network, which is composed of
> several networks and almost by coincidence covers the region.
>
> This is also what we say in the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute
>
> But the example given there (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623
> I believe), is now mapped as an lcn.
>
> Looking at the edit history, it looks like there was a minor edit war
> about this, where user RoRay repeatedly changed it from rcn to lcn
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663
> (RoRay is still mapping, still using the not-very helpful default
> changeset description "update")
>
> User BenoitL tried to change it back to rcn (with much better changeset
> comments :) - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599), but I
> guess he gave up. Polyglot later seems to have mapped most of the other
> routes; my guess is he just went with lcn because that's how the others
> were mapped.
>
> Apart from the network not showing up when it should on some maps, it
> doesn't really matter much. However, bxl-forever is now mapping -actual-
> lcn routes in the Brussels region, operated by Anderlecht municipality.
> Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325
> Putting both types of routes in the same level is just wrong IMHO.
>
> Can anyone provide some more context? Based on my own research, I'd
> suggest we simply retag all the regional operated routes from lcn to rcn.
>
> Best,
> Joost Schouppe
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