[OSM-talk-be] regional cycle routes in Brussels

[joost schouppe]

Thank you Jo!

Op do 3 sep. 2020 om 10:41 schreef Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:

> I had a look at them after downloading them using Overpass API and started
> making them continuous where they were 'broken'. So I went ahead and also
> converted them all to rcn.
>
> Jo
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joost,
>>
>> In Flanders it depended more on topology than anything else. We used:
>>
>> lcn: for loops
>> rcn: for the numbered node networks, this logic was taken to rwn and rhn
>> later on
>> ncn: for long routes going from A to B (LFx) and then later for the Fxxx
>> cycle highways
>> icn: for European routes going from A to B
>>
>> In Brussels rcn doesn't seem to be used and those routes are
>> topologically more similar to the numbered routes system used in Flanders
>> and Wallonia.
>>
>> I agree with you that it makes more sense to tag them as rcn.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:14 AM joost schouppe <joost.schouppe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was always a little confused that the regional cycle network is mapped
>>> as lcn in Brussels. Since this network is organized by Brussels-the-region,
>>> not Brussels-the-city, it seems logical that it should have the rcn tag. In
>>> fact, more so than the Flemish cycle node network, which is composed of
>>> several networks and almost by coincidence covers the region.
>>>
>>> This is also what we say in the wiki:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute
>>>
>>> But the example given there (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623
>>> I believe), is now mapped as an lcn.
>>>
>>> Looking at the edit history, it looks like there was a minor edit war
>>> about this, where user RoRay repeatedly changed it from rcn to lcn
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663
>>> (RoRay is still mapping, still using the not-very helpful default
>>> changeset description "update")
>>>
>>> User BenoitL tried to change it back to rcn (with much better changeset
>>> comments :) - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599), but I
>>> guess he gave up. Polyglot later seems to have mapped most of the other
>>> routes; my guess is he just went with lcn because that's how the others
>>> were mapped.
>>>
>>> Apart from the network not showing up when it should on some maps, it
>>> doesn't really matter much. However, bxl-forever is now mapping -actual-
>>> lcn routes in the Brussels region, operated by Anderlecht municipality.
>>> Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325
>>> Putting both types of routes in the same level is just wrong IMHO.
>>>
>>> Can anyone provide some more context? Based on my own research, I'd
>>> suggest we simply retag all the regional operated routes from lcn to rcn.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joost Schouppe
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