[OSM-talk-be] ravel Brussels-Charleroi

[joost schouppe]

Hi Gerard,

The F20 has been mapped, according to the data model for cycle highways
that was also discussed here, see
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycle_network%3DBE-VLG:cycle_highway

While it makes sense to harmonize the tagging across the regions, the name,
the references and even the concept differs from region to region. So
having a single relation is not a good idea. In the case of GR routes,
which are clearly a single concept, these are also split aling countries
and regions, because some tags (i.e. operator) doe change at the borders.
Maybe something can be said for also creating superroutes unifying some
relations. But I haven't seen much unification between the cycle highway
network in Flanders and the ravel in Flanders. For Brussels and Flanders,
this is a little different. Here for example, it seems that the logic will
be that you have an F20 in Flanders which seamlessly continues as a C20 in
Brussels. Again, not mappable as a single relation, but could be unified in
a superrelation.

Op ma 27 jun. 2022 om 11:53 schreef ghia <ghia at ghia.eu>:

> Hi,
>
> Maybe it should not be called Ravel all the way, but I assume this is part
> of the supra regional project of bicycle highways (see F20
> <https://fietssnelwegen.be/fietssnelwegen/F20> part of Flanders).
>
> There are also others in planning and/or execution:
>
>
> https://www.dhnet.be/regions/bruxelles/bruxelles-mobilite/deux-corridors-cyclables-pour-connecter-le-brabant-wallon-a-bruxelles-voici-le-programme-des-amenagements-62a21e09d8ad5865ff65514a
>
>
> https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2022/05/17/fietspad-door-zonienwoud-in-brussel-krijgt-upgrade/
>
>
> https://www.bruzz.be/mobiliteit/hoe-cyclostrades-de-pendelaar-van-autoverslaving-moeten-afhelpen-2022-03-24
>
>
> https://www.werkenaandering.be/nl/werken-aan/fietsinfrastructuur/fietssnelweg-f205
>
> I would say that one general relation would be better than 3 regional
> parts, so the edit should be reversed.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Gerard
>
> On 2022-06-27 11:04, joost schouppe wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I recently stumbled upon https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121485907
> , which extended a Ravel all the way to Brussels, along both sides of the
> canal. Upon confirmation that it wasn't based on survey and other
> confirmation that Ravel don't go outside of Wallonia normally, I have
> removed the part in Brussels and Flanders:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/122897767
>
> However, the part in Wallonia is still mapped systematically at both sides
> of the canal, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11048468
> Mapillary coverage is not good enough to check systematically where it
> goes. Anyone have some knowledge of the ravel? Anyone willing to fix? Or
> could you provide information about on which sections it goes on which side?
>
> Best,
> Joost Schouppe
>
>
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