[Talk-ca] SOTM 2008: The State of The (Canada) Map
steve at asklater.com
Tue Jul 8 23:12:33 BST 2008
On 8 Jul 2008, at 15:07, James Ewen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:17 PM, SteveC <steve at asklater.com> wrote:
>> I think you're being obtuse. From looking at the map it wouldn't take
>> me much time to map the whole place myself so it doesn't need a
> That gets you one small city, now add in the rest of Canada. The
> problem is the sheer size of the country, and the low OSM member
> density. There are no OSM members in Ft. McMurray, and it is a 5 hour
> drive to the city from my home. There are a whole lot of other towns
> and villages, not to mention hundreds of thousands of miles of rural
> highways, and county roads to map as well. Mapping parties are fine
> when you can get a bunch of members together. Since this thread is
> about the state of the (Canada) map, I am talking about issues seen
> here, not issues seen in areas where the member density is much
But you're sort of giving up before you started. OSM didn't start by
having universal member density throughout Europe or something.
You run a mapping party in I don't know, Calgary. Someone there gets
really interested and his brother is a Geography teacher in, I don't
know, Ft. McMurray and he emails him about it, he runs a class and it
See? Networks effect is everything and you have to start somewhere.
>> I know I'm helplessly stupid and lame, but, to run a party in my
>> nearest city (San Francisco) basically costs nothing. I get a space
>> for free (or just go to starbucks). I drive, cycle or walk there. I
>> put out the publicity using the internet. People turn up, we do some
>> mapping and I show them how to do stuff, then we grab a drink
>> afterward. None of these costs are different from any other Saturday.
> I am not insinuating that you are stupid, nor lame. I am suggesting
> that if I want an OSM map of Fort McMurray, AB, that it is not going
> to be a zero cost event. Can you show me how to find users in a
> specific area? I know that I can find users located near me on my home
> page. Is there a way to query for users located near a specific
> location? I'd be willing to bet that I am probably in the top ten
> closest members to Fort McMurray.
See above - just try and make a start somewhere.
>>> On another tangent, if the licensing issues can be settled, we might
>>> soon have a base map provided by the Government of Canada upon which
>>> to build. This is probably our best avenue to pursue. A base map
>>> get 95% of the roads in the database, and making minor edits and
>>> adding new roads can then become the priority.
>> I'm working on that from the OSMF PoV
> That's going to be the way that the majority of Canadian roads get
> added to the OSM map. There's simply not enough user density to be
> able to effectively map Canada any other way within my lifetime.
That kind of ignores the better than exponential user take up and is
being super negative.
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