[Talk-ca] Provincial Parks Sample

Tue Apr 6 04:24:26 BST 2010

Well, because were (as you did) just loading local area parks (that each of
us knows of directly).  We can change the tagging as we like.

Feel free to change the page to whatever tags are better.   (and i can
re-convert the dataset again with changes)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geobase/NRCan_Protected_Areas

In order to make a WMS layer service.  All that is needed is to change the
format of the shp files with ogr2ogr  & make these files available.  Then
James knows now to make a WMS layer with map.server, where it could be
hosted onto the wms.openstreetmap.de site, so then people can just trace
from it.   If we make it 'transparent'  this WMS can be used over top of the
Toporama WMS.   ... while other features are being added (from the soon to
be available canvec data) as .1x.1 degree tiles.

For now, i can see that they show up (i corrected your permalink :-)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.0345&lon=-121.9195&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF

Re: Manning Park.  ya, i have no idea about the source of the data.  My plan
is to contact Parks Canada (as soon as all the parks get loaded in)  and
share the .dbf file database & add in a column for the 'OSM ID' (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/54452481)   (creating 1 chart per
feature type) would make for a good spreadsheet).
I would ask them how old the source data is, and ask to get an update from
the BC government to update that file.

Also, note that the BC Provincial Parks database is under the license that
is not compatible with OSM, however, once all of this available data is
loaded in the province (and all the Canvec data is loaded).   We might see
some interest from GeoBC.  ...

However, i have already contacted GeoBC (and have bugged them enough).   It
would be better to wait until all of the Vancouver Data is available (city
parks), or even better.. other regional area data (Nanaimo & CVRD).  ... and
approach other towns across the province, .. so once more cities & regions
notice that OSM is populated with all this data.  The province has the
dataset that will be able to 'fill in the gaps'.

Also, after all of the park boundaries are loaded in Ontario (the shp files
are available) & i can convert it just the same. ... there will be some
provincial competition.  .. where no province likes to be last... :-)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Land_Information_Ontario#Provincial_Park_Regulated
(there is only 337 parks, so it could all be put in 1 or 2 .osm files)  ....
but note that some of this could be in CanVec. ... which is why im not
converting it yet... anyone want it?

Cheers,
Sam

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Adam Dunn <dunnadam at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've opened the seven files that are in the zip file posted on the wiki.
> Great that I can import Cultus Lake Park near my house (I didn't know that
> Cultus Lake Park also included part of Vedder Mountain on the other side of
> the lake!) along with some others in the area. I don't see Manning
> Provincial Park though [1]. It should be somewhere around [2].
>
> Many of these are not National Parks (federal), so the tagging needs to be
> rethought. I see that national_park is well accepted [3] but is very
> misleading in its wording. Kevin's idea of using admin_level or something
> similar might work.
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._C._Manning_Provincial_Park
> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.1245&lon=-121.9701&zoom=13
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dnational_park
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Sam Vekemans <acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have loaded the 7 .osm files (in a zip file) and some details on the
>> wiki.
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geobase/NRCan_Protected_Areas#Data
>>
>> I'm mainly working on those parks that cross along the (Across Canada
>> Trails) route network.   What i'll be doing is contacting the local are
>> mappers as i go along.  As now i'll be much easier for people to be mapping
>> more details.
>>
>> I don't think that this file is available on the Ibycus Topo, so it will
>> be great to see a more complete map when it's loaded in :)   ... slowly but
>> surley...  there is no rush. :)
>>
>>  Anyway,
>> I loaded the Most northern National Park in Canada
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-79.0394413&minlat=81.1524017&maxlon=-61.0035376&maxlat=83.3456729&box=yes
>> this area of the world doesnt get rendered as fast .... but perhaps when
>> the CanVec data is available, this are will get filled in.  ... im sure
>> it'll get some attention.
>>
>> I also loaded Fundy National Park (New Brunswick)
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.616&lon=-64.939&zoom=11&layers=B000FTF
>>
>> And Pukaskwa national Park  (south of Marathon, Ontario) before Wawa,  you
>> can see on the coast the Voyageur trail.
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.34&lon=-85.841&zoom=11&layers=B000FTF
>>
>> And also Cowichan River Provincial Park.
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.7597&lon=-123.8091&zoom=14&layers=B000FTFT
>>
>> Please check the tags. .. im still not sure about the natural=forest;
>> landuse=wood.   If you see at the Ucluelet are a different shade of green.
>> and also look at how the Olympic National Forest in the US got mapped.
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.071&lon=-123.74&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF
>>
>> ... this is exactly the reason why we map the parks one at a time & use
>> care where these things can get verified :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Sam Vekemans <
>> acrosscanadatrails at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Kevin Smith <haietlik at draconic.ca>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/04/2010 8:38 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote:
>>>> > Hi Kevin,
>>>> > As we were chatting earlier..
>>>> > (cc:talk-ca list)
>>>> >
>>>> > I just want to show you a sample.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-123.8369687&minlat=48.7525877&maxlon=-123.7812077&maxlat=48.7667345&box=yes
>>>> > <
>>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-123.8369687&minlat=48.7525877&maxlon=-123.7812077&maxlat=48.7667345&box=yes
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4329006
>>>> >
>>>> > It appears that the National Protected area's file DOES contain
>>>> > provincial park boundaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've converted & created 11 .osm files.   and i think it's best to
>>>> > just copy in 1 at a time, as there is no rush.
>>>> >
>>>> > This one is interesting because the Cowichan Vally Regional District
>>>> > ALSO has the parks file (but i think it's just for regional parks)
>>>> It has regional, municipal, and provincial parks, though it only has a
>>>> few of the parks in the other municipalities and it only gives them
>>>> names,  It doesn't have a field to indicate which parks are at which
>>>> level.  And it doesn't include the portion of PRNP that overlaps the
>>>> CVRD.  And actually I was doing the integration for it while you
>>>> uploaded that test. I'd already started uploading it when checked the
>>>> map and saw the addition.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ya, the data appears to have mainly the Provincial & National Parks.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Anyway... i was thinking creating a new tag
>>>> > "boundary=provincial_park"  kind of like how we have the proposal for
>>>> > boundary=aborigional_lands.
>>>>
>>>> It bothers me a little as it's something of a Canadian specific term.
>>>>
>>> as 'state_park' would be the USA equivalent.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'd kind of prefer to see national_park replaced with a more generic
>>>> term, and then use operator or admin_level.  As it is I made the
>>>> provincial parks in the CVRD data national_park with "operator=BC
>>>> Parks".
>>>
>>> ok, what i did was list it as 'boundary=national_park'  and didn't
>>> include an operator tag,  As i think it would be on a park by park basis, as
>>> to who exactly runs it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The rest are either leisure=park or leisure=nature_reserve (for
>>>> "Nature Parks") with the the municipality they are in as the operator.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've also changed the "is_in=*"  tag to "address:province=*"   and for
>>> french "address:province:fr"=*
>>> i think that makes more sense, since this helps with name finding much
>>> better.   (As all of these parks technically have their own mailing address.
>>> As they have an 'operator'.   Even if the Operator is in another part of the
>>> country, there is always a phone number to call.
>>>
>>> I didn't want to list 'Parks Canada'   as this isn't an 'official list'
>>> of what exactly are under this jurisdiction.
>>>
>>> So ya.  This will be the only sample i load for now.   It will be
>>> interesting to see if there is a difference from what the CVRD data has.
>>> Please copy-in that same park over top of what i just loaded.  (so we can
>>> see a difference).
>>>
>>> And only copy-in a few  parks.   Probably Northern Ontario where i'm
>>> working on the Voyageur Trail.   Im just updating the wiki with the source
>>> files now.
>>>
>>> Note to the rest of the talk-ca list:   We will also see a difference
>>> between what The province of Ontario has in it's shp files for the parks.
>>> when compared to the National NRCan data.  (it might be from the same
>>> source) and if the geometry is 'identical' we will know that it is.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Smith <haietlik at draconic.ca>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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